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24 minutes ago, bickster said:

That might explain it, The over 50's

there were more than 808 people in the 2 pubs round the corner from my house watching the england game...

Polls like this with such low numbers involved are completely pointless. Same as the 17 of 28 people that agree that the new head & shoulders shampoo is better than the old one

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9 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Well, the update is she did resign, so there's no-one left in the department :rolleyes:

Sky report that, according to a 'government official', Sue Ellen hasn't resigned.

Then again, I think we can rely on recent evidence that neither the government nor anyone in that department have any real idea what is going on. So she may or may not still be in the department - perhaps she had resigned but she has been convinced to stay on and step up?

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The level of indignation from this spoon when he's the one on the receiving end of things is quite illuminating.

He never minded much about 'untruths' being told when he or Rees Mogg did it.

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It's strange, loads of people insisted a couple of weeks ago when the Lords' amendments were being discussed, that everyone should just get behind the Government, that MPs didn't need to have input on the direction of travel and that anyone complaining about the Government's position was just weakening our negotiating hand.

Weird how lots of them seem to have changed their minds.

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3 hours ago, snowychap said:

Sky report that, according to a 'government official', Sue Ellen hasn't resigned.

Then again, I think we can rely on recent evidence that neither the government nor anyone in that department have any real idea what is going on. So she may or may not still be in the department - perhaps she had resigned but she has been convinced to stay on and step up?

Baffling. The Graun had her down as resigned at about 1 AM this morning (though I see where I've gone wrong there!). Maybe she unresigned herself. As you say, you wouldn't bet on her to know whether she works there or not. 

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Cheating, lying Brexiteers are busily stealing away Britain from the British.

The lies

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Arron Banks’ Leave.EU campaign team met with Russian embassy officials as many as 11 times in the run-up to the EU referendum and in the two months beyond, documents seen by the Observer suggest – seven more times than Banks has admitted. The same documents suggest the Russian embassy extended a further four invitations to Brexit’s biggest funder, but it is not known if they were accepted.

The cheating

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Because last week we discovered other laws may have been broken. Not crimes against a person, or a property, but against our democracy. Crimes that may have been committed by the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum. On Wednesday, Matthew Elliott, the CEO of Vote Leave, the campaign headed by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, both now government ministers, took the extraordinary step of leaking the interim report of an Electoral Commission investigation which is still under way.

This found the campaign guilty of breaking electoral rules and law. Laws which are the bedrock of our entire electoral system.

The timing of the release of this – after midnight, on the night of a World Cup match – an apparent attempt to influence the reporting of an investigation that hasn’t yet concluded raises many questions.

But what Elliott couldn’t spin was this: according to his own account of the report, Vote Leave, the official referendum campaign that was partly funded with taxpayers’ money, looks to have committed what may be one of the biggest incidents of electoral fraud in Britain in more than a century. Back in March, when the Observer reported on compelling new evidence provided by Shahmir Sanni, a Vote Leave whistleblower, Gavin Millar, a QC at Matrix Chambers, an expert in electoral law, told us that this was of a scale and seriousness that simply hasn’t been seen in Britain in modern times.

The whole damn process is illegitimate. The phrase "if something seems to be too good to be true it probably isn't" may work in reverse in this case.  If something seems too bad to be true it is probably Brexit.

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17 minutes ago, Straggler said:

Cheating, lying Brexiteers are busily stealing away Britain from the British.

The lies

The cheating

The whole damn process is illegitimate. The phrase "if something seems to be too good to be true it probably isn't" may work in reverse in this case.  If something seems too bad to be true it is probably Brexit.

What happens if you cheat at sport and get caught?

What happens if you cheat in an exam and get caught?

What happens if you cheat in a Casino and get caught?

It baffles me how democracy doesn't seem to employ the same real life rules

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14 minutes ago, bickster said:

What happens if you cheat at sport and get caught?

What happens if you cheat in an exam and get caught?

What happens if you cheat in a Casino and get caught?

It baffles me how democracy doesn't seem to employ the same real life rules

What happens if you cheat on your wife and get caught?

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4 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

there were more than 808 people in the 2 pubs round the corner from my house watching the england game...

Polls like this with such low numbers involved are completely pointless. Same as the 17 of 28 people that agree that the new head & shoulders shampoo is better than the old one

You are right, but size is AS important as representation when it comes to these things. Fairly pointless in attempting to find rare anomalies within a community say with such a small sample size. The commonality of the Brexit issue gives them some credence. How truly representative of a cross section of society is down the pub watching the match would be just as important as to how many there were. Perhaps for another time/thread. You are right. I have no idea who or what Europe elects is so I couldn't/wouldn't vouch for any voracity on what they do.

Just size isn't everything

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4 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

there were more than 808 people in the 2 pubs round the corner from my house watching the england game...

Polls like this with such low numbers involved are completely pointless. Same as the 17 of 28 people that agree that the new head & shoulders shampoo is better than the old one

808 people is comfortably enough for a statistically significant sample. 

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