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Worth noting, of course, that Farage was on the EU Fisheries Committee for 3 years, and attended a single meeting. Consistent with his attendance of most things.

The word removed has stolen a living.

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Also worth noting, the vessel involved today spends most of its working life at the Port of Ramsgate. 

The pontoon system and service infrastructure of which was recently redeveloped with a grant from the European Fisheries Fund.

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1 hour ago, Chindie said:

Worth noting, of course, that Farage was on the EU Fisheries Committee for 3 years, and attended a single meeting. Consistent with his attendance of most things.

The word removed has stolen oxygen.

 

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2 minutes ago, bickster said:

These fishermen are bloody thick. It's not the EU that stuffs them up, it's the way our government chooses to allocate our quota

Indeed. Something that needs to be shouted again and again and again. It's not the EU's fault there's a dinghy never leaving port that officially catches a 6th of the South West take every year.

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2 minutes ago, bickster said:

These fishermen are bloody thick. It's not the EU that stuffs them up, it's the way our government chooses to allocate our quota

To be brutally fair, it's really a bit of both. 

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I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published

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around 11,800 fishermen were active in the UK. Approximately 2,300 were part-time 

i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy.

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4 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published

i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy.

unless of course it fits a narrative

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1 minute ago, Davkaus said:

I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry.

They don't. 

As Brexit gets nearer and the absolute clusterf**k becomes reality, all they had left was Blue Passports and fishing. Now it's just blue passports. 

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43 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published

i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy.

It’s apparently 0.3% of the economy, just behind pet insurance.

The point about the jobs matters, as do the jobs, of course and the people doing them. If only the government cared as much about all the other jobs that will be lost/affected by their mental red lines.

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It's the principle of the thing. They're good British fish being stolen by dirty Spanish cheats.

They thought they were promised more, fatter, tastier, royal cod living wholesome lives never leaving the lightly salted private members only British seas.

They've got what the rest of us got. Big mouthed politicians specialising in snake oil, not fish oil.

Some group called fish for leave or some such was on the radio moaning that Denmark gets more of our fish than we get of theirs. Do they really think that's the fault of dirty Denmark tricking us? Utter disconnect.

Such a placid nation.

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56 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry.

Couple of reasons I can think of.

From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators.

From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate.

For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms.

There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes.  Photogenic as well.

None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty.

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2 minutes ago, peterms said:

Couple of reasons I can think of.

From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators.

From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate.

For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms.

There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes.  Photogenic as well.

None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty.

All valid, though it’s maybe the “suddenly” giving a toss which is where the hypocrisy lies. Giving a toss about people’s jobs, rather than snake oil selling is what should happen, and not just at politically significant moments, but all the ruddy time.

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10 minutes ago, peterms said:

Couple of reasons I can think of.

From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators.

From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate.

For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms.

There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes.  Photogenic as well.

None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty.

I'll add another one. The number of coastal constituencies that return a Conservative MP, and the higher likelihood of mobilisation in that type of community to change that if they feel they are being screwed over by a Conservative Government.

Scottish Conservative MPs know that they are toast if / when fishing isn't delivered to local satisfaction (and it won't be). So they need to shout from the rooftops in the hope that "we tried our best" will be good enough to keep their jobs.

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19 minutes ago, blandy said:

All valid, though it’s maybe the “suddenly” giving a toss which is where the hypocrisy lies. Giving a toss about people’s jobs, rather than snake oil selling is what should happen, and not just at politically significant moments, but all the ruddy time.

Not a sudden development for the first two I mention, of course.  Or the fourth.

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