Chindie Posted March 21, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2018 Worth noting, of course, that Farage was on the EU Fisheries Committee for 3 years, and attended a single meeting. Consistent with his attendance of most things. The word removed has stolen a living. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Also worth noting, the vessel involved today spends most of its working life at the Port of Ramsgate. The pontoon system and service infrastructure of which was recently redeveloped with a grant from the European Fisheries Fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 21, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Worth noting, of course, that Farage was on the EU Fisheries Committee for 3 years, and attended a single meeting. Consistent with his attendance of most things. The word removed has stolen oxygen. Fixed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 21, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2018 These fishermen are bloody thick. It's not the EU that stuffs them up, it's the way our government chooses to allocate our quota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 21, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, bickster said: These fishermen are bloody thick. It's not the EU that stuffs them up, it's the way our government chooses to allocate our quota Indeed. Something that needs to be shouted again and again and again. It's not the EU's fault there's a dinghy never leaving port that officially catches a 6th of the South West take every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, bickster said: These fishermen are bloody thick. It's not the EU that stuffs them up, it's the way our government chooses to allocate our quota To be brutally fair, it's really a bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wazzap24 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If only they'd chucked a boat load of U-Kippers in instead. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published Quote around 11,800 fishermen were active in the UK. Approximately 2,300 were part-time i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 21, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy. unless of course it fits a narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry. They don't. As Brexit gets nearer and the absolute clusterf**k becomes reality, all they had left was Blue Passports and fishing. Now it's just blue passports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 21, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2016-statistics-published i'm not saying that I want 11,800 people to be out of a job, but firstly that's not going to happen, and even if it did happen, that's about as many employees as BHS had. I'm not sure it's an issue that should be dictating national policy. It’s apparently 0.3% of the economy, just behind pet insurance. The point about the jobs matters, as do the jobs, of course and the people doing them. If only the government cared as much about all the other jobs that will be lost/affected by their mental red lines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's the principle of the thing. They're good British fish being stolen by dirty Spanish cheats. They thought they were promised more, fatter, tastier, royal cod living wholesome lives never leaving the lightly salted private members only British seas. They've got what the rest of us got. Big mouthed politicians specialising in snake oil, not fish oil. Some group called fish for leave or some such was on the radio moaning that Denmark gets more of our fish than we get of theirs. Do they really think that's the fault of dirty Denmark tricking us? Utter disconnect. Such a placid nation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I just don't get why so many people suddenly give such a massive toss about the fishing industry. Couple of reasons I can think of. From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators. From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate. For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms. There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes. Photogenic as well. None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 21, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterms said: Couple of reasons I can think of. From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators. From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate. For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms. There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes. Photogenic as well. None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty. All valid, though it’s maybe the “suddenly” giving a toss which is where the hypocrisy lies. Giving a toss about people’s jobs, rather than snake oil selling is what should happen, and not just at politically significant moments, but all the ruddy time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, peterms said: Couple of reasons I can think of. From the eco/left/Greenpeace angle, small fishers are more sustainable and environmentally responsible compared to the big operators. From the community viewpoint, they tend to operate in relatively small communities where the social and economic impact will be disproportionate. For tory MPs, at least in Scotland, that is combined with it being a fairly high profile and iconic industry, which commands attention beyond its significance in simple GDP terms. There's also a cultural/heritage angle, and it's an industry that is more appealing and romantic than making cardboard boxes or gnomes. Photogenic as well. None of these is individually enormous, but together they are probably fairly weighty. I'll add another one. The number of coastal constituencies that return a Conservative MP, and the higher likelihood of mobilisation in that type of community to change that if they feel they are being screwed over by a Conservative Government. Scottish Conservative MPs know that they are toast if / when fishing isn't delivered to local satisfaction (and it won't be). So they need to shout from the rooftops in the hope that "we tried our best" will be good enough to keep their jobs. Edited March 21, 2018 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterms Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, blandy said: All valid, though it’s maybe the “suddenly” giving a toss which is where the hypocrisy lies. Giving a toss about people’s jobs, rather than snake oil selling is what should happen, and not just at politically significant moments, but all the ruddy time. Not a sudden development for the first two I mention, of course. Or the fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I don't even know who the other bloke is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't even know who the other bloke is. He's the guy who set up "Fishing For Leave". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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