Popular Post blandy Posted March 22, 2018 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a m ole Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 letting citizens opt out of the EU is a great idea. individuals can choose to pay a little bit more for goods, higher interest rates on loans, a bespoke extra queue at airports and they can fish wherever and whenever they want. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, a m ole said: letting citizens opt out of the EU is a great idea. individuals can choose to pay a little bit more for goods, higher interest rates on loans, a bespoke extra queue at airports and they can fish wherever and whenever they want. What you need there is a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, a m ole said: letting citizens opt out of the EU is a great idea. individuals can choose to pay a little bit more for goods, higher interest rates on loans, a bespoke extra queue at airports and they can fish wherever and whenever they want. They could pay as much in roaming charges as they wanted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Quote On 18 November 2015, the British press gathered in a hall in Westminster to witness the official launch of Leave.EU. Nigel Farage, the campaign’s figurehead, was banished to the back of the room and instead an American political strategist, Gerry Gunster, took centre stage and explained its strategy. “The one thing that I know is data,” he said. “Numbers do not lie. I’m going to follow the data.” Eighteen months on, it’s this same insight – to follow the data – that is the key to unlocking what really happened behind the scenes of the Leave campaign. On the surface, the two main campaigns, Leave.EU and Vote Leave, hated one other. Their leading lights, Farage and Boris Johnson, were sworn enemies for the duration of the referendum. The two campaigns bitterly refused even to share a platform. But the Observer has seen a confidential document that provides clear evidence of a link between the two campaigns. More precisely, evidence of a close working relationship between the two data analytics firms employed by the campaigns – AggregateIQ, which Vote Leave hired, and Cambridge Analytica, retained by Leave.EU. Link to Article Pretty damning and very scary to think that what we thought was a democratic process is far from it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Fury over switch to make British passports abroad... at increased cost of £100m Quote British passports are to be printed in Malta which could mean 100 UK jobs lost and cost the taxpayer an extra £100 million. And the UK firm which won the contract, De La Rue , is being investigated by the Serious Fraud office and could be French-owned within weeks. Anger was mounting last night over the deal which was agreed by Labour and backed by the Coalition Government. De La Rue, the world's biggest bank note printer, is charging taxpayers £100million more than a rival Greater Manchester-based company, which has made our passports for the past 40 years. Shares in the company, which makes banknotes for the Bank of England and 150 other countries, tumbled by a third last year after its production problems were revealed, leading its chief executive to resign. But they bounced back by over 25 per cent last week with news of a possible takeover by French-owned firm Oberthur. Now an MP has demanded the £400million passport contract be offered out to tender again, according to the Sunday Express. Iconic: The British passport Bosses at 3M Security Printing in Oldham, the firm that has printed British passports for decades, have told the Government they can make them over the next 10 years for £100million less than De La Rue. 'It is not a sum to be sniffed at,' said Labour MP Michael Meacher, MP for Oldham West and Royston. 'It is not far short of one per cent of the entire spending cuts that the Government hopes to make in this fiscal year.' Mr Meacher also fears that apart from the security risks of allowing another country to print British passports, De La Rue may not be able to fulfil the deal. The company is at centre of its second Serious Fraud Office probe in three years following allegations of corruption by the company's employees totalling at least £1m. The company said some staff had 'deliberately falsified certain paper specification test certificates' and added that production errors would cost the company at least £35m. It is believed one in every five of the six million new passports needed each year will be printed by De La Rue in Malta. Union bosses are furious. 'It is unthinkable that our passports and other identification systems could be produced outside of the UK,' said Tony Burke, assistant general secretary of Unite. It has since emerged that Gill Rider, 54, a leading member of the Cabinet Office and one of Gordon Brown’s senior mandarins, was a non-executive director of De La Rue on £43,000 a year when bidding for the deal began. De La Rue declined to comment. 12th December 2010 Edited March 23, 2018 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, snowychap said: Fury over switch to make British passports abroad... at increased cost of £100m 12th December 2010 And to save people from having to click the link - Daily Mail (just as it wasn't explicitly clear from the article) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: And to save people from having to click the link - Daily Mail (just as it wasn't explicitly clear from the article) Yes. Sorry, I ought to have made that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Silly arse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 25, 2018 Moderator Share Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: Silly arse. Typical pandering to the lowest common denominator please vote for us nonsense That Labour even has an official policy on this is stupid, its not something to have a policy on. Dickheads 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, snowychap said: Silly arse. Yes, I think that was pretty disappointing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2018 Cynical vote grubbing. In other news, we're off begging to Brussels again to let us off our complete lunacy because we've realised we'll be out of EU space projects, and shock horror we have an interest in involvement in these projects. I'm sure this was brought up before the referendum. And I'm sure it was handwaved by the swivel eyed loons. I'm sure Brussels accepts handwaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) It's a bit late and it probably doesn't receive as much prominence as the original story but still... I await Rees-Mogg's tweeting of the correction. Edited March 26, 2018 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2018 A survey released today shows that voters rate securing Brexit above maintaining the unity of the UK with Northern Ireland as part of it. Belfast - the UK doesn't care about you. Also, easy way to solve the border problem. Just ditch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, snowychap said: It's a bit late and it probably doesn't receive as much prominence as the original story but still... I await Rees-Mogg's tweeting of the correction. Minford and his bunch of illiterates endorsed it as well. To highlight, that's a Professor of Economics who couldn't spot (among numerous other things) that increasing £1 by 50% doesn't give you £2. Edited March 26, 2018 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Urgent question in parliament this afternoon on the sodding passport thing. FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2018 It's almost like they know it's got votes from idiots written all over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chindie said: It's almost like they know it's got votes from idiots written all over it. Maybe but I'd wager that some of the fulmination is stupidly genuine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2018 Oh no doubt. Lest we forget that parliament has such shining examples of intellect as Philip Davies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Whistleblower questions Brexit result, says campaigners broke election law Quote With just a year until Britain is due to leave the European Union, two whistleblowers - one from the British political consultancy Cambridge Analytica and one from the Vote Leave group - have alleged that Brexit campaigners funded their campaign illegally. By doing so, they have pulled Brexit into a scandal that has forced Mark Zuckerberg to apologise for how Facebook handled users’ data, and raised questions about how Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign employed data. Vote Leave officials on Monday denied breaking election rules and said they were facing an attempt to undermine Brexit by smearing their reputations. The whistleblowers’ law firm, London-based Bindmans, released 53 pages of selected evidence on Monday. In a legal opinion, Bindmans said there was a prima facie case that Vote Leave broke election spending limits by donating to an allied group known as BeLeave, with which it was working closely. “Can we be confident in the result of the referendum?” said whistleblower Christopher Wylie, formerly of Cambridge Analytica. “This is not refighting the referendum. This is about the integrity of the democratic process.” “If this country is on the path of an irreversible decision, we really should be confident that the basis of that decision came from a free and fair vote - and what this evidence does is it calls into question whether it was free and fair.” It seemed inevitable with all the cross Atlantic links with all the main players in this story that something like this would come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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