PieFacE Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Awol said: Yes. The video evidence has been posted over and over in this thread but is flatly ignored by those who don't want to admit it. Oh, I remember Boris saying it's entirely possible to remain in the single market, so maybe we'll put it down to mixed messaging. (i genuinely haven't seen that video) Edited January 17, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) On a side note, the pound is holding up... Edited January 17, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 Ending what is supposedly going to be your final open speech about a negotiation before those negotiations start with a threat is surely a good precedent to set. Lovely to see our PM effectively announce our plan is to have everything good and nothing bad, or nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: On a side note, the pound is holding up... Exception that makes the rule and/or the market is desperately holding onto the idea Parliament will do something useful to muzzle the witch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I see May is repeatedly using the word "clearly", presumably in the hope that it will make people believe the position is clear. I'm sure that will do the job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: On a side note, the pound is holding up... It seems "the markets" think the promise to put the issue to Parliament means Brexit won't actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 The idea the country is coming together is an outright lie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Lovely to see our PM effectively announce our plan is to have everything good and nothing bad She did finally confirm we will leave the single market, so I'm not sure that this is quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: She did finally confirm we will leave the single market, so I'm not sure that this is quite right. I read the speech as effectively saying give us a deal that has the benefits of the single market without what we view as the bad. She's said we'll leave but she still wants the benefits IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: I read the speech as effectively saying give us a deal that has the benefits of the single market without what we view as the bad. She's said we'll leave but she still wants the benefits IMO. What's that old adage that May has been banging on about? Having our cake and eating it too. From that speech, it's like that's what she fully expects and she's deluded IMO. Edited January 17, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 She's immediately undermined any suggestion that Parliament gets a vote on the deal as a good thing by following out with the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' rhetoric. Parliament will be given a deal to agree to or bin the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: From that speech, it's like that's what she fully expects and she's deluded IMO. She must know something or she wouldn't stick her neck and career on the line in such a manner. It's just not logical to do so or as you say, she is "Deluded". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Chindie said: Ending what is supposedly going to be your final open speech about a negotiation before those negotiations start with a threat is surely a good precedent to set. Lovely to see our PM effectively announce our plan is to have everything good and nothing bad, or nothing at all. Have cake, eat it. Hardly news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: The idea the country is coming together is an outright lie. Oh I don't know, I think if anyone can unify the country it could be May. Sadly the only issue they will be unified on is her. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted January 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2017 36 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: She must know something or she wouldn't stick her neck and career on the line in such a manner. It's just not logical to do so or as you say, she is "Deluded". Yep, I can't imagine a PM would be so stupid as to put their neck and career on the line about Europe. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 55 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: What's that old adage that May has been banging on about? Having our cake and eating it too. I'm in a meeting so can't browse the internet fully at the moment so can you link to direct quotes where she has said this ? I saw a photo of a notepad belong to some junior person and I'm aware that Corbyn has said May wanted her cake and eat it , But I don't recall May actually saying it ?.... as she is banging on about it , it shouldn't be that difficult to find though ..thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Awol said: Yes. The video evidence has been posted over and over in this thread but is flatly ignored by those who don't want to admit it. Horse-manure. Quote Trade with the EU will not be harmed. “Our trade will almost certainly continue with the EU on similar to current circumstances…The reality is that the hard-headed, pragmatic businessmen on the continent will do everything to ensure that trade with Britain continues uninterrupted.” David Davis, speech, 26 May 2016 “The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave”. Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave? “there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market”, Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 26 June 2016 "It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders", Michael Gove, BBC, 8 May 2016 “The idea that our trade will suffer…is silly”, Vote Leave, What Happens When We Vote Leave The leave side consistently was mendacious in terms of the single market. Cake and eat is basically was the message. edit - it was also the strategy outlined on some notes photographed as one of the PM's advisers left Downing street after a Brexit strategy meeting Quote The government has distanced itself from a page of Brexit notes caught on camera in Westminster. The handwritten notes, carried by an aide to Conservative MP Mark Field, included "what's the model? Have your cake and eat it" and "unlikely" in reference to the EU single market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 So the Brexit deal will go to parliament to vote on, and if they vote "no" to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: So the Brexit deal will go to parliament to vote on, and if they vote "no" to it? They won't. The fear of being labelled enemies of the people and losing their seat is too much, regardless of whether the deal is objectionably horrible for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, StefanAVFC said: They won't. The fear of being labelled enemies of the people and losing their seat is too much, regardless of whether the deal is objectionably horrible for the people. Okay, but hypothetically... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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