The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[HanoiVillan]

11 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Well, it's beer, football and general touristy stuff. 

As a Norwegian, unless you plan to travel in the UK for more than 6 months at a time, I doubt you will see any difference at all for tourism, with the possible exception of needing to show a passport at the border rather than a national identity card.

 

[Xann]

13 hours ago, Enda said:

The UK now asking for a Canada-style free trade agreement.

Under that deal, foreign companies could sue the UK government for deviating from regulations. Sovereignty, innit.

Meaning Boris can promise anything, like say no chlorinated chicken, in the knowledge that it'll be overturned later in a profiteers' court. Then say it's not his fault.

In effect it's enabling big money, (which we know doesn't give a f*** about people let alone the planet) powers over the state, that they get to keep even when their representatives, the Tory filth, get voted out of power.

 

And some liars and clueless pricks got y'all worried about a future authoritarian government under Corbyn

[bickster]

4 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Well, it's beer, football and general touristy stuff. 

We're introducing a Scandi-Beer tax at weekends.Just to level up the prices to what you pay at home

We expect to build 100 new hospitals in a year on the back of this

[snowychap]

Gib:

 

[Davkaus]

15 minutes ago, bickster said:

We're introducing a Scandi-Beer tax at weekends.Just to level up the prices to what you pay at home

We expect to build 100 new hospitals in a year on the back of this

But 97 of them are hospitals that already exist, 2 are being repainted, and the last one is a large empty box that blew in to QE car park.

[blandy]

4 hours ago, Xann said:

Meaning Boris can promise anything, like say no chlorinated chicken, in the knowledge that it'll be overturned later in a profiteers' court. Then say it's not his fault.

In effect it's enabling big money, (which we know doesn't give a f*** about people let alone the planet) powers over the state, that they get to keep even when their representatives, the Tory filth, get voted out of power.

And some liars and clueless pricks got y'all worried about a future authoritarian government under Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn and his ineptitude and Brexity feelings facilitated this Tory fustercluck.

[blandy]

Laugh, but under the FTPA there could only be an election if the Labour opposition supported the Gov't's vote for calling one. Labour could have stopped it, because 2/3rds needed.

Labour facilitated the election, then got thrashed because they were dreadful and led by an eejit.

Result - Boris can do and promise anything.   Nice one Catweazle. 5 more years of tory horrors 

 

[kidlewis]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

Jeremy Corbyn and his ineptitude and Brexity feelings facilitated this Tory fustercluck.

Yeah he’s an accessory to this. He didn’t commit to the murder of Brexit Britain but stood and watched whilst leaning on his shovel from his allotment. 

[HanoiVillan]

Just now, blandy said:

Laugh, but under the FTPA there could only be an election if the Labour opposition supported the Gov't's vote for calling one. Labour could have stopped it, because 2/3rds needed.

Labour facilitated the election, then got thrashed because they were dreadful and led by an eejit.

Result - Boris can do and promise anything.   Nice one Catweazle. 5 more years of tory horrors 

 

This isn't true, because the Tories, SNP and Lib Dems, who all wanted an election, could have passed an amendment to the FTPA. An election was going to happen regardless, it just would have been one in which the Tories could have claimed that Labour were running scared of the voters. 

[Xann]

8 minutes ago, blandy said:

Laugh, but under the FTPA there could only be an election if the Labour opposition supported the Gov't's vote for calling one. Labour could have stopped it, because 2/3rds needed.

Labour facilitated the election, then got thrashed because they were dreadful and led by an eejit.

Result - Boris can do and promise anything.   Nice one Catweazle. 5 more years of tory horrors

You just would have got 3 more years of Cummings and the broken media's fantasy.

What a lot of 'clever' people don't want to face up is that Cummings and the billionaires didn't just play the absolute thickies, he played the 'clever' remainers too.

Labour tried to fight a political campaign, Cummings fought a psychological campaign and smashed it.

 

I do wish someone nice could play the plebs like Cummings and Putin, rather than profiteering pieces of shit.

[blandy]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

This isn't true, because the Tories, SNP and Lib Dems, who all wanted an election, could have passed an amendment to the FTPA. An election was going to happen regardless, it just would have been one in which the Tories could have claimed that Labour were running scared of the voters. 

It is true. 639 voting MPs. 2/3rds of 650 needed to get an election. 242 Labour MPs were in post at disolution.

Labour and Lib Dems made a mistake going for the election. It suited the SNPs domestic  agenda to have one.

[blandy]

1 hour ago, Xann said:

Labour tried to fight a political campaign

They were inept, disorganised, divided, inwards looking, confused with a mad manifesto and were utterly unappealing. It gifted it to the tories, who didn't have to do anything other than keep a few of their nuttiest nutters out of the spotlight, avoid answering questions, and say "brexit" a few times. They didn't so much play the voters, as Labour offered the voters nothing to vote for, other than outdated "we're not the tories"

[Sam-AVFC]

3 hours ago, blandy said:

Jeremy Corbyn and his ineptitude and Brexity feelings facilitated this Tory fustercluck.

Your political opinions read to me as the equivalent of ‘well if she’d covered up she wouldn’t have been raped’.

[HanoiVillan]

27 minutes ago, blandy said:

It is true. 639 voting MPs. 2/3rds of 650 needed to get an election. 242 Labour MPs were in post at disolution.

Labour and Lib Dems made a mistake going for the election. It suited the SNPs domestic  agenda to have one.

Not true:

'On 29 October, Prime Minister Boris Johnson introduced an election bill to the House of Commons to circumvent the FTPA and trigger a general election. Only a simple majority of MPs were needed for the Bill to pass. The election date set in the Bill was Thursday, 12 December 2019. After amendments to change the proposed date were voted down, the Commons approved the Bill by a vote of 438 to 20.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Parliamentary_General_Election_Act_2019

[Xann]

50 minutes ago, blandy said:

They were inept, disorganised, divided, inwards looking, confused with a mad manifesto and were utterly unappealing. It gifted it to the tories, who didn't have to do anything other than keep a few of their nuttiest nutters out of the spotlight, avoid answering questions, and say "brexit" a few times. They didn't so much play the voters, as Labour offered the voters nothing to vote for, other than outdated "we're not the tories"

Kuenssberg and the billionaires' narrative was by far the loudest. Corbyn's little victories were ignored, the mistakes amplified and any internal rift or negative association nailed to his forehead. 

Meanwhile the man that told us a million Turks were coming weaved a campaign of disinfomation. Aided by a shit load of cash, from here and nasty abroad as well as the vast majority of the press.

I'm not telling you Corbyn and Labour were competent, this is the worst generation of politicians pretty much all around, but he was light years ahead of the dipshit Libs and the Tory filth.

Ah well.

The new UK slogan should be Just Getting Done.

[blandy]

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Your political opinions read to me as the equivalent of ‘well if she’d covered up she wouldn’t have been raped’.

For what it's worth, they're most definitely NOT. I think that's an awful analogy.

Labour's not been "raped". Not even the electorate have been.

Labour merely lost because what they offered as a collective package to the voters was not chosen by the voters - the reasons are multiple and I have typed some of them in this and other threads.

[blandy]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

Not true:

'On 29 October, Prime Minister Boris Johnson introduced an election bill to the House of Commons to circumvent the FTPA and trigger a general election. Only a simple majority of MPs were needed for the Bill to pass. The election date set in the Bill was Thursday, 12 December 2019. After amendments to change the proposed date were voted down, the Commons approved the Bill by a vote of 438 to 20.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Parliamentary_General_Election_Act_2019

Ah, OK. I apologise HV.

[blandy]

48 minutes ago, Xann said:

I'm not telling you Corbyn and Labour were competent, this is the worst generation of politicians pretty much all around, but he was light years ahead of the dipshit Libs and the Tory filth...The new UK slogan should be Just Getting Done.

Agree with nearly all of that. Except that Corbyn's not better than Lib Dem woman or Johnson. Swinson was no good - she came across as completely out of her depth, Corbyn and Johnson are both simply awful, but for completely different reasons.

[tonyh29]

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Your political opinions read to me as the equivalent of ‘well if she’d covered up she wouldn’t have been raped’.

That’s a bit out of order ... I’m sure you could have come up with a fairer analogy than that 

[colhint]

I don;t really see how you can say Corbyn and Johnson are both awful.  Their main job is to win the election.  Corbyn just lost 6 nil in the final. You can blame the press, money or whatever. But this could not have been a surprise to Labour. Did they think that money or the press would be with them. Labour heartlands went against them. If you want to blame the press, why did these heartlands not go against them under Blair, Brown or Milliband. The big bad press were against them also.