Richard Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) We are down. We will finish bottom and have nothing to fight for which is a good thing really as not one member of the regular first team squad have any fight in them anyway. So i think we should start as many as the u21s as possible in every game between now and end of season Pros- They get experience They want to fight more than the current lot to earn a spot next season It gives them the opportunity of playing in the premier league and wanting to get back to it We are going to need them next season anyway as our owner will not spend any money on this organisation Lescott can have more time tweeting and maybe try and get a spot on Top Gear as part of the new team Cons- We may get shafted each week They may get tainted and affect their motivation If they are any good then they may get taken in the summer What do you think, play the kids or not? Edited February 15, 2016 by Richard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gilbertoAVFC Posted February 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2016 Absolutely not. Any good prospect we have would be entering a poisonous atmosphere at a young age, playing against far superior players. We do that and we get humped every week, and their confidence will be in tatters because they'll still be under pressure from the less reasonable sections of our fanbase. Look at Grealish. People don't give a toss about how old he is, if he's not meeting the required standard he is slated like the rest. This would happen x 10. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 They might work harder , they might care more but they will get turned over and the effect on them is not worth the risk , also lets consider the best Kid we have is Grealish and he is struggling badly in this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Its not often I agree with Richard but these are strange days indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Yes, yes, yes. They might not be anywhere near good enough as they seem to struggle to win U-21 games, but the less we have to see this bunch of wasters playing in the shirt the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 We have nothing to lose, If they are any good we will lose them anyway. They might actually give a toss and put some effort in. The scores dont really matter anymore either. Anymore nails in this coffin of ours and the basic (and histrionically proven) sub structure of wood will be forever compromised with the introduction of yet more base metals in the form of nails from a seemingly unrelenting machine gun type fire of said nails. It will be the only coffin in all history that is both non buoyant and top heavy, even our own coffin is ****. They will bury it in Witton Cemetery and 15 years later all the local wildlife has **** died from bastard metal poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted February 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) To play the kids would be the worst thing we could do, we've still got something to play for as hopeless as it might seem at the moment. And it would do more harm to the youngsters themselves psychologically, than it would good. If they were on the end of a few thrashings. Maybe it might be worth giving one or two of them more of chance but to throw them all in would be footballing in suicide in more ways than one. Edited February 15, 2016 by useless 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Richards sentence "Lescott can have more time tweeting and maybe try and get a spot on Top Gear as part of the new team." was worth this whole topic. I think the idea has merit but it also has the risk of leaving the kids feeling shell shocked. I would rather start 1 or 2 a week and ease them in, giving them a break from the firing line whenever they are getting a bit battered. But certainly increasing their playing time dramatically would be a good idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 16 minutes ago, Richard said: Cons- This is the only part of your post I disagree with, to me there are absolutely no con's. 19 minutes ago, Richard said: we may get shafted each week We currently get shafted each week 21 minutes ago, Richard said: They may get tainted and affect their motivation I think the exact opposite. They can't do an awful lot worse than the current lot, and unlike the current lot I think win lose or draw the fans would be genuinely behind them, The experience of playing in the PL, albeit for a couple of months will motivate them to want more. 25 minutes ago, Richard said: If they are any good then they may get taken in the summer If would take some going for any of the kids to make the sort of impact between now and May that would warrant PL clubs sniffing around them. Whilst I admittedly don't watch the u21's, I think if we had anyone with that sort of potential they would have made the first 11 already. At this moment in time the complete focus of the club should be on next season, and there is not much point continuing with those unlikely to be here. So yes, absolutley, throw them in. I actually think it would be terrible mismanagement not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 There's nothing wrong with playing one or two kids, no. But if we chucked in an entirely new team it would be catastrophic, It's an extremely idealistic idea which would never be entertained by any manager. It would also reduce our appeal further to potential new recruits in the summer, who have just seen Villa get battered for the final third of the season. If they were good enough, they'd be playing. Also, the team have been trying apart from yesterday. Give over with these reactionary ideas please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, useless said: To play the kids would be the worst thing we could do, we've still got something to play for as hopeless as it might seem at the moment. And it would do more harm to the youngsters themselves psychologically, than it would good. If they were on the end of a few thrashings. Maybe it might be worth giving one or two of them more of chance but to throw them all in would be footballing in suicide in more ways than one. I am with you on this, Useless. While there is still a chance we need to put out a team we think can put in a performance. A couple of the young players, yes, but no more. If or when we are mathematically unable to stay up, then perhaps try to blood a few more of them, but I see no merit in getting trounced, even if there is nothing at stake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 20 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: We have nothing to lose, If they are any good we will lose them anyway. They might actually give a toss and put some effort in. The scores dont really matter anymore either. Anymore nails in this coffin of ours and the basic (and histrionically proven) sub structure of wood will be forever compromised with the introduction of yet more base metals in the form of nails from a seemingly unrelenting machine gun type fire of said nails. It will be the only coffin in all history that is both non buoyant and top heavy, even our own coffin is ****. They will bury it in Witton Cemetery and 15 years later all the local wildlife has **** died from bastard metal poisoning. We have. Until it is mathematically impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted February 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 58 minutes ago, av1 said: This is the only part of your post I disagree with, to me there are absolutely no con's. We currently get shafted each week This is just flatly untrue. We got shafted this week, which is not the same thing at all. Our results this calendar year have been 1-3, 1-1, 1-0, 2-0, 0-0, 0-4, 0-2, 2-0 and 0-6. Out of nine games we were 'shafted' twice, which while clearly twice too many, is definitely not 'every week'. I'm not against greater youth involvement. Given how lazy Richards was yesterday, and the fact that Garde seems to like Lyden, I have already suggested in his thread that he should start the next game at RB. There are several youth players who could be getting a few minutes from the bench, especially strikers given how comically threadbare we are up front. But we can't play the whole U21 team, unless we want to repeat the experience of Sunday a dozen more times before the end of the season. Edited February 15, 2016 by HanoiVillan 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 the psychological damage a 12 game battering would do the 'kids' doesn't bear thinking about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) No. They will show promise. We will give them a 40k a week contract and they'll spend it on jaegerbombs. On a serious note, I'd rather have 11 random fans playing than a 50k a week professional who after the game apologises for not trying. Edited February 15, 2016 by Woodytom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: No. They will show promise. We will give them a 40k a year contract and they'll spend it on jaegerbombs. On a serious note, I'd rather have 11 random fans playing than a 50k a week professional who after the game apologises for not trying. Was just about to post this. 3 good games, £2m a year. Pissed up during pre season. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 hour ago, gilbertoAVFC said: Also, the team have been trying apart from yesterday. They haven't. Not all of them. A few of us have been highlighting this for months. Micah richards agreed not too long back. Nevertheless, for them not to try even once, is, in my mind completely unforgiveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villanun Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 While I think it would be a very bad idea, part of me would love Garde to play the under-21 team in the next game just to give a massive "**** you" to the wastes of skin that played on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 A few of them, yes. Particularly up front. And at the back. (Probably the middle as well. And a keeper). Mind you, as others have said, the barrel is already so scraped that I'm sure they'd be playing already if they were up to it. There seem to be plenty of other kids doing pretty well in the league at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 28 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is just flatly untrue. We got shafted this week, which is not the same thing at all. Our results this calendar year have been 1-3, 1-1, 1-0, 2-0, 0-0, 0-4, 0-2, 2-0 and 0-6. Out of nine games we were 'shafted' twice, which while clearly twice too many, is definitely not 'every week'. We obviously have different ideas obout what constitutes "shafted" mine is the following. P-26 W-3 D-7 - L-16 P-16 GD-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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