Neil Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't - how did it ever come to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Changing the manager isn't going to make the slightest difference all the while Randolph the red nose clown is in charge. How many managers have we had since MON left, 4,5? and every season we've been in a relegation battle because of the lack of investment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2016 Give me a few wins, and I'll be very happy with you Remi. Until then, you have underachieved heavily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 at this stage I would take Arry over Remi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't get why people keep using 'he got us to the FA cup final' line, forgetting it was a cup final final we were absolutely humiliated in, one of the most one-sided finals i have seen, and where we couldn't have complained if Arsenal had scored double what they did. That of course is to blot out the memory of he semi final where we destroyed Liverpool. Things went badly wrong for Sherwood but it is incorrect to pretend that he achieved nothing last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't buy the line that Garde should be doing better with Sherwood's misfits than Sherwood did. They are an absolute bunch of misfits. It would be impossible for anyone to make an impact with the current squad - there is no combination of players or tactics that could compensate for the complete and utter lack of firepower. We have literally no goals in the side. Someone needs to completely overhaul the squad 10-15 out and 10-15 in and decide on a consistent style(s) of play. I'm not sure whether Garde is the right man for the job but I do know that changing managers every dozen games would get us nowhere I'm giving Garde time until he has bought half a dozen of his own buys in and then judging him. This season is a write off now - I'd spend the time blooding youngsters and giving my Championship players game time and then pray for a miracle in the summer 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neil Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2016 22 minutes ago, VillaCas said: I don't buy the line that Garde should be doing better with Sherwood's misfits than Sherwood did. I don't mean to sound blunt. But if this is not the minimum expectation, then what the **** did we replace Sherwood for? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 26 minutes ago, VillaCas said: I don't buy the line that Garde should be doing better with Sherwood's misfits than Sherwood did. They are an absolute bunch of misfits. It would be impossible for anyone to make an impact with the current squad - there is no combination of players or tactics that could compensate for the complete and utter lack of firepower. We have literally no goals in the side. Someone needs to completely overhaul the squad 10-15 out and 10-15 in and decide on a consistent style(s) of play. I'm not sure whether Garde is the right man for the job but I do know that changing managers every dozen games would get us nowhere I'm giving Garde time until he has bought half a dozen of his own buys in and then judging him. This season is a write off now - I'd spend the time blooding youngsters and giving my Championship players game time and then pray for a miracle in the summer This ^^ It's the players making ridiculous mistakes, poor passes and bad decisions coupled with a sprinkling of occasional lack of effort, a touch of bad luck and low confidence. I don't see how any of that is the managers fault really. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: This ^^ It's the players making ridiculous mistakes, poor passes and bad decisions coupled with a sprinkling of occasional lack of effort, a touch of bad luck and low confidence. I don't see how any of that is the managers fault really. I think some of it IS Garde's fault, but not as much as many fans like to attribute to him. The players get away with too much. Someone was saying on Sky Sports recently (might have been Souness or Carragher) about how players get too easy of a ride these days. They were basically saying that if a defender messes up, the fans are too quick to say it's because the manager can't organise a defence; or a team lose because of poor individual performances and it's because the manager didn't set them up right/the tactics were wrong. Our players are mostly shit, and too many of them aren't working hard enough, or are making basic errors. That's their fault. Edited January 3, 2016 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 44 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: This ^^ It's the players making ridiculous mistakes, poor passes and bad decisions coupled with a sprinkling of occasional lack of effort, a touch of bad luck and low confidence. I don't see how any of that is the managers fault really. If a manager can't have any effect on that then whats the point in them? Also his negative approach in games has played a part IMO. It's mainly down to the squad of players but he's had zero impact at the moment. That's a concern for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AshVilla Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Zatman said: at this stage I would take Arry over Remi I'd usually say i'd rather get relegated but we already are so i would rather us drop to league one than have arry as manager 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted January 3, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2016 3 hours ago, Zatman said: at this stage I would take Arry over Remi I'd have McLeish back on a 30 year contract before I'd have Redknapp here. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I think Garde inherited a mediocre side already in freefall. Does he have the experience to take on players with negative issues, probably not. In that respect, maybe he was always going to be the 'wrong' appointment. He needed to take on a mid-table team upon whom he could make his own stamp, without everything going wrong that could go wrong. Somebody should have told him 'hey, this is Aston Villa you know, Remi, they used to be good but......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Wonder if Arsene is still on his Christmas card list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 20 hours ago, Blasterpocket68 said: We prepare for the championship. Nigel Pearson should be appointed now. Not saying I know the answer.....buts that would have been my choice. my you with this hierarchy he would probably have lasted 5 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 As much as I have the highest Regard for Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson they both achieved having been given time. I am not sure Arsene would be a good choice of manager to rescue any relegation bound team......I don't think it is his forte. You need the right types for that task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 19 minutes ago, TRO said: As much as I have the highest Regard for Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson they both achieved having been given time. I am not sure Arsene would be a good choice of manager to rescue any relegation bound team......I don't think it is his forte. You need the right types for that task. I agree established teams with a sound platform to build on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 We prepare for the championship. Nigel Pearson should be appointed now. Not saying I know the answer.....buts that would have been my choice. my you with this hierarchy he would probably have lasted 5 mins Why? They seem to stick with their managers too long of anything. Unless you mean because his attitude stinks? In which case I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Pearson would probably be sacked after about 2 weeks for physically attacking the players for being so shit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubbyRophie Posted January 4, 2016 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2016 What about a promotion specialist like Warnock? Getting him in now would give him a good period of time to get to know the squad, retain/jettison where necessary and bring in new additions where needed. Moyes would also be a reasonable candidate if Randy fancies a crack at a last ditch survival effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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