The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[Davkaus]

Just now, snowychap said:

That's a bit harsh on Matt LeBlanc.

I think you might need new glasses  

[HKP90]

1 hour ago, His Name Is Death said:

I don't want to claim there's an exact science to clocking an utter nobhead without them even needing to open their mouths (or type), but...

Let's hope they are the first to lose their house. Get used to the resigned sad face, guys!

[Genie]

After barely a fortnight of working time in her job yougov are asking

Funny result, 8% of people think the Conservatives would do a better job with the economy than the… err… Conservatives.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Genie

[Genie]

Kwarteng also going with the gaslighting theme, trying to pretend that it was the cost of energy that broke the UK economy, not unbudgeted tax cuts that favour the wealthy.

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Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng defends his mini-budget measures, saying they are "absolutely essential" in "delivering much better growth outcomes for people". 

"We're absolutely protecting people right across this country," he says, adding that because of the government's intervention, "we've limited the average household bill".

BBC

[Stevo985]

"limited the average household bill"

You've limited the average household energy bill. You've absolutely **** the overall household bill

I would say it's robbing Peter to pay Paul, but it's more like robbing Peter, beating him up, shitting on his face and making Paul watch

[ml1dch]

Blimey Charlie.

Edit - apparently if that were the actual General Election result, the Tories would be reduced to three MPs (Rebecca Harris, Giles Watling and John Whittingdale).

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by ml1dch

[Genie]

Classic Tory behaviour 

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Tory MPs sent lines to defend government - Financial Times reporter

Conservative MPs have been sent a list of "talking points" to defend the government's handling of the economy, the Financial Times's Sebastian Payne tweets.

The list of defences - sent out by Downing Street staffers and Tory HQ - reportedly include the need to emphasise that the economy was already in decline and that the "government needed to act urgently". 

The document also insists that the government has taken a "responsible and realistic approach to managing public finances" and argues that the UK is not the only country currently experiencing currency fluctuations. 

It also says that the measures set out by the chancellor last week are the kind demanded by international central banks. 

But MPs aren't told which central banks have advocated such measures - and the leak of the document follows criticism of Kwarteng's mini-budget from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). 

Earlier, we told you that the chancellor had messaged his fellow Tory MPs, calling for their support.

Link

Lots of copy and paste Tweets incoming 

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

1 minute ago, ml1dch said:

Blimey Charlie.

 

 

Ah, so that''s the poll they were hinting at, not the 20 points ahead at the upper end of the margin of error Redfield & Wilton poll.

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

There's got to be some **** going on there though. Tory-leaning YouGov must be trying to put pressure on Truss, that can't be close to reality?

Edit - Putting the numbers into Electoral Calculus, that gives Labour a 496 seat majority and reduces the Tories to 1 seat hahahahahahaha

Edit 2 - sorry I used the old boundaries, they would get 2 seats 

Edited September 29, 2022 by MessiWillSignForVilla

[ml1dch]

Bloody Starmer. Any other leader would be t̶w̶e̶n̶t̶y̶, forty points ahead.

[bickster]

21 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

Tory-leaning YouGov

Doesn't actually stand up to any scrutiny that claim

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

3 minutes ago, bickster said:

Doesn't actually stand up to any scrutiny that claim

I mean it wasn't an entriely serious point, but wasn't it founded by Nadhim Zahawi?

[OutByEaster?]

The Greens losing a point in that survey probably says good things about Starmer's speech.

Truss is a positive force for change in this country, I think we can all get behind that.

 

 

 

[Mark Albrighton]

A couple of other polls, not as big a difference as the YouGov poll, but still very sizeable.

 

[ml1dch]

5 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

I mean it wasn't an entriely serious point, but wasn't it founded by Nadhim Zahawi?

He was one of the founders. But any polling company that tries to be partial rather than trying to be accurate is going to find themselves being frequently wrong, and not being hired very often.

And I imagine any Tory would prioritise their own wealth and success over deliberately swaying polls in a direction that they preferred.

 

[Panto_Villan]

So let’s say you’re a Tory strategist - what’s your best plan at this point (aside from jumping out of a window)?

Immediate vote of no confidence? Stick with Truss and hope everyone has forgotten about this in two years time?

Those polls are showing an extinction level event right now.

[DCJonah]

43 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Blimey Charlie.

Edit - apparently if that were the actual General Election result, the Tories would be reduced to three MPs (Rebecca Harris, Giles Watling and John Whittingdale).

 

Good lord I'm erect. 

 

[bickster]

19 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

I mean it wasn't an entriely serious point, but wasn't it founded by Nadhim Zahawi?

Yes but analysis of the performance of their General Election polling says the percieved bias isn't true

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Here’s the answer from the last six general elections, comparing the error in final pre-election poll from YouGov with those from the rest of the polling industry. The error is measured based on the Conservative-Labour lead. For example, if the error is down as plus three points that means the polls showed the Conservatives as doing three points better on the lead than the actual election result.

Or in short – positives are errors in favour of the Conservatives, negatives are errors in favour of Labour.

Election	YouGov final poll error	Rest of industry final poll error
2001	-0.7	-4.8
2005	-2.0	-2.5
2010	-0.2	1.0
2015	-6.5	-6.4
2017	4.6	4.2
2019	-1.8	-2.1
Average	-1.1	-1.8

 

Two things particular come from this table. First, that YouGov’s results are not much different from the rest of the polling industry. Second, that although YouGov’s results on average are slightly more favourable to the Conservatives, that makes them slightly more accurate than the rest of the industry (-1.1 rather than -1.8). The difference is a small one and disappears if you remove the 2001 election, so a better conclusion is that YouGov’s results are much the same as the industry overall. But what difference there is, it’s one of being slightly more accurate.

And its highest profile departure from what the rest of the polling industry was saying? That came in 2017 when it produced projected seat numbers much less favour for the Conservatives than what others were saying. The results showed that it was right.

That’s a good reason to pay attention to YouGov, not to dismiss its results as a right wing plot.

Mark Pack (The LibDem President and author of books about polling)

[Mark Albrighton]

Just touching upon the subject of Sunak and the perception of him compared to Truss with voters and Tory voters -

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Mark Albrighton

[ender4]

 

31 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said:

A couple of other polls, not as big a difference as the YouGov poll, but still very sizeable.

 

What did the Green Party do to piss people off?