mjmooney Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Cameron won the election and promised a referendum which had the double edged effect of calming the throbby faction and prevented more votes leaking to UKIP. Cameron won the election and this saved the party from splitting in two And he was confident that Remain would win the referendum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2022 Just now, mjmooney said: And he was confident that Remain would win the referendum. Yes exactly, he chose his side based on what it would do for his image once the referendum was lost, so he could become leader. It didn't quite work out as he planned (Gove famously knifing him in the back) but he got there eventually and what a clusterf*** he's made of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Despicable party. If you could have 3 minutes in the ring with any of them, who would you like to slap, I'm having JRM, Gove, Bunter, Prati Patel and that blonde bird with no brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: and that blonde bird with no brain Well off the top of my head that's either Dorries or Truss. I could probably come up with more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes. He's not even the worst PM in the last ten years. I don’t know, at least May and Cameron, whilst evil were at least vaguely competent at they job. If your going to get shafted, you might as well get it done properly rather than by someone who doesn’t know his a**e from his elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Despicable party. If you could have 3 minutes in the ring with any of them, who would you like to slap, I'm having JRM, Gove, Bunter, Prati Patel and that blonde bird with no brain. I think I'd step in to the ring tooled up like the below (minus the muscles and the hair) and take all 359 of them out just to be on the safe side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, cyrusr said: I don’t know, at least May and Cameron, whilst evil were at least vaguely competent at they job. If your going to get shafted, you might as well get it done properly rather than by someone who doesn’t know his a**e from his elbow. Cameron took us out of the European Union with the referendum. That will do more damage to this country in the long term than Johnson will ever manage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, bickster said: Well off the top of my head that's either Dorries or Truss. I could probably come up with more Dorries out ranks all none brain blondes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Dorries out ranks all none brain blondes. Truss is intelligent and I won’t listen to anybody who says different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, cyrusr said: I don’t know, at least May and Cameron, whilst evil were at least vaguely competent at they job. If your going to get shafted, you might as well get it done properly rather than by someone who doesn’t know his a**e from his elbow. I think that's exactly 180 degrees from the truth. If you're going to get shafted, you want it to be by somebody who is incompetent, impatient, preoccupied and easily distracted. None of which is to say that I think Cameron in particular was 'competent', because I very much don't think that. But he did have a clear ideological plan for the country, and he was able to execute it with far far worse long-term effects for the country than anything Johnson is up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, bickster said: Cameron took us out of the European Union with the referendum. That will do more damage to this country in the long term than Johnson will ever manage. 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think that's exactly 180 degrees from the truth. If you're going to get shafted, you want it to be by somebody who is incompetent, impatient, preoccupied and easily distracted. None of which is to say that I think Cameron in particular was 'competent', because I very much don't think that. But he did have a clear ideological plan for the country, and he was able to execute it with far far worse long-term effects for the country than anything Johnson is up to. You both have points. Maybe my innate hatred of Johnson has clouded my mind but it just utterly infuriates me how much he gets away with and not have any consequences for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Pig **** is a snouty trough rocket polisher, but maybe not an actual traitor like the Brexit PM or Kremlin Portfolio-Mogg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 22, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: None of which is to say that I think Cameron in particular was 'competent', because I very much don't think that. But he did have a clear ideological plan for the country, and he was able to execute it with far far worse long-term effects for the country than anything Johnson is up to. I agree Cameron was incompetent (as well as lazy, complacent...etc). But I don't agree that he had a clear ideological plan for the Country or was able to execute it. I mean he was in favour of EU membership and lost it, then ran away. I guess you could say that Osbourne's "austerity" was also Cameron's "plan", perhaps? And then the Brexit that was not defined became a fairly hard version due to May's incompetence, plus the throbber pressures, and then Johnson compounded that by ousting her and implementing (if that's not too strong a phrase for the clusterpork that ensued) an even worse version of May's "deal". In essence, we're discussing which is the foulest smelling turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, blandy said: In essence, we're discussing which is the foulest smelling turd. When is it anything other than that when it comes to politics in this day and age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Dorries out ranks all none brain blondes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 I don’t know about comparing what previous PMs did, the things they implemented, the various abhorrent policies. What I will say is Johnson is the first Prime Minister in my lifetime who makes me think I genuinely could do a better job. Cameron, May, whomever, while they’re shit I’d accept that they more than likely have a better grasp of what they’re doing. With Johnson, I honestly feel like if I dedicated a morning to, say, the finer points of the Northern Ireland Protocol, that I would then be more knowledgeable on the subject than him by lunchtime. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, Dodgyknees said: Truss is intelligent and I won’t listen to anybody who says different. That's a disgrace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Q.Will you resign if the office you preside over attracts more fixed penalties than any other location during the entirety of lockdown? Boris. You’re asking me to comment on stuff I don’t know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phil Silvers Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: Q.Will you resign if the office you preside over attracts more fixed penalties than any other location during the entirety of lockdown? Boris. You’re asking me to comment on stuff I don’t know Channel 4 will be gone within the Month, given away probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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