ml1dch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: It'll be Rachel Reeves I'd imagine. I'm not sure she'd really count as a big figure. Reckon fewer people will have heard of her than even Dodds. Although given the weird hatred that the Corbyn lot have for her, it would fit with the current direction of the party. The only person I can think of who ticks the boxes of "most people know their name" and "has economic values that represent the current Labour party" is Ed Miliband. Edited March 28, 2021 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, bickster said: It might be telling that I have no clue as to who holds this position I consider myself to be fairly reasonably engaged politically, certainly more than average, and yeah, I'm genuinely stumped. I did just look her up and recognise her, but only for sitting next to Starmer tbh. I'm not sure there's a particularly inspiring person in the entire shadow cabinet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I'm not sure she'd really count as a big figure. Reckon fewer people will have heard of her than even Dodds. Although given the weird hatred that the Corbyn lot have for her, it would fit with the current direction of the party. The only person I can think of who ticks the boxes of "most people know their name" and "has economic values that represent the current Labour party" is Ed Miliband. I am not saying she is a big figure I just think that is who they will go with. She won't get this role but I am surprised they haven't found a high profile shadow cabinet position for Yvette Cooper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I am not saying she is a big figure I just think that is who they will go with. I think their only complaint with Dodds is her profile and how little cut-through she is getting. I think they're politically happy with her. So replacing her with Reeves doesn't really do anything to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Look at him, that Starmer, walking and wearing clothes. The **** liberty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The Parliamentary Labour Party. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, ml1dch said: I think their only complaint with Dodds is her profile and how little cut-through she is getting. I think they're politically happy with her. So replacing her with Reeves doesn't really do anything to fix that. They don't trust Dodds, she's suspect because she was too acceptable to the left. Reeves is fully a part of the right of the party, so she isn't suspect. I really don't think you're right that Starmer's advisors are 'politically happy' with Dodds, they want someone from the right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: They don't trust Dodds, she's suspect because she was too acceptable to the left. Reeves is fully a part of the right of the party, so she isn't suspect. I really don't think you're right that Starmer's advisors are 'politically happy' with Dodds, they want someone from the right. Anyone who has sat in CLP meetings with one of his prominent advisors would tell you they aren't 'politically happy' about anything in the party that isn't from the right. I mean so I hear... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: They don't trust Dodds, she's suspect because she was too acceptable to the left. Reeves is fully a part of the right of the party, so she isn't suspect. I really don't think you're right that Starmer's advisors are 'politically happy' with Dodds, they want someone from the right. Quite happy to defer to your expertise on the matter then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I think Labour need to use as much right leaning people as possible. Start using right wing rhetoric and push right wing policies to get in. Then once in just sack it all off and do what they want. This is now the age of non accountability and u turning on promises to get elected so they’d be able to do it no probs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 30, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 30, 2021 Apparently Liverpool Labour have decided to replace Joe Anderson with Joanne Anderson. She's the lady that represents the same ward as Anna Rothery but has only been a councillor since 2019 (and was rumoured to not be seeking a second stint!) It's a bit of a surprise to be honest as all the usual suspect Councillors appeared to be backing the other candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 31, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 31, 2021 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/keir-starmer-on-alex-sobel-remarks-7863236 Good news, a Labour figure has said something I can get right behind! Alex Sobel, shadow minister for the arts and tourism said: Quote “When I first became an MP, I was like, I am not taking meetings with any of these people. These people are the enemy, you know. I’m a socialist, my job is to effectively transform society so that we have a much more mixed economy and we don’t have huge global corporations which have all this power.” Good on him! Unfortunately, Kier has made him apologise- the leader of a party that professes to represent working people, a party of socialism, has actually gone out of his way to take the time to pick up on that quote and publicly address it with an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 31, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/keir-starmer-on-alex-sobel-remarks-7863236 Good news, a Labour figure has said something I can get right behind! Alex Sobel, shadow minister for the arts and tourism said: Good on him! Unfortunately, Kier has made him apologise- the leader of a party that professes to represent working people, a party of socialism, has actually gone out of his way to take the time to pick up on that quote and publicly address it with an apology. There's a second sentence there isn't there? it reads like there is as he'd already clearly changed his mind. That's just one example of an apology given for no real reason. Starmer apologising on behalf the Hartlepool candidate's MILF comment that was quite obviously (to me at least) a comment expressing exasperation that such a conversation was had in his company. Now Dr Williams is getting MILF comments all the time. That wouldn't have happened if they'd explained the comment properly in the first place instead of apologising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, bickster said: There's a second sentence there isn't there? it reads like there is as he'd already clearly changed his mind. That's just one example of an apology given for no real reason. Starmer apologising on behalf the Hartlepool candidate's MILF comment that was quite obviously (to me at least) a comment expressing exasperation that such a conversation was had in his company. Now Dr Williams is getting MILF comments all the time. That wouldn't have happened if they'd explained the comment properly in the first place instead of apologising. You're right, the context of what Sobel is saying is that *he is revealing that he had changed his perspective on business*, and the right-wing blogs that picked this up have taken the quote completely and deliberately out of context (you may be shocked to learn!). I don't know who is advising Starmer that constantly apologising for the party's existence or beliefs is a good look, but it really isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Self importance is strong in this one. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 So Starmer goes to a church that practices gay conversation therapy, then Rachel Reeves goes on TV 3 days later and says he was just visiting a vaccine centre, then later that evening he puts out an apology. I mean isn't this kind of similar to what he sacked RLB for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: I mean isn't this kind of similar to what he sacked RLB for? Didn't he sack RLB for refusing to remove the tweets that Maxine Peake and the Indie both aknowledged were wrong? The inference being that she was unapologetic about the incorrect opinion expressed. Though having said that the Starmer Apology Campaign is rather getting on my tits. If he was visiting a vaccination centre he has no need to apologise. Either he was visiting a Vaccination Centre, no apology required or he was visiting a looney conversion therapy church, in which case he really should have his bumps felt as well as issue an apology 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, bickster said: If he was visiting a vaccination centre he has no need to apologise. Either he was visiting a Vaccination Centre, no apology required or he was visiting a looney conversion therapy church, in which case he really should have his bumps felt as well as issue an apology Still not sure why Reeves was sent out to tell people he was visiting a vaccine centre, if the same day he then comes out with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2021 He visited a semi-looney church, which he announced on video as a church, thanked the church and said what good work churches had done during the pandemic. Once the semi-looney church status was revealed, Rachel Reeves came out and idiotically tried to suggest that the churchyness of the church was just a coincidence and that Keir had been visiting a vaccine centre and it had nothing to do with churches at all, oh no, perish the thought - in doing so she may as well have shouted "Hey world, look at this!". Take her out of the equation (please) and it's not much of anything that a simple "I don't share all of the values of this church, but we should still highlight the good work that churches are doing in the pandemic and work to educate and change opinions where we can" wouldn't have fixed. Now, thanks to her spirited and idiotic defence of him attending a semi-looney church he's forced into an altogether more embarrassing public apology that's only highlighted something that really didn't need it. If she was anyone else he'd have gotten rid of her, but she's about the only other person in the party that's quite as all out right wing as he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 5, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 5, 2021 Better or worse than attending an alternative Jewish congregation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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