useless Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Sherwood just said that he doesn't think anyone is close. First of all he doesn't seem very sure about it and secondly we might take it to imply that there is still interest in buying the club. Edited July 14, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I think the longer he stays the more we become just a lower half team aiming to survive. I don't think that's the case at all. It's not in Lerner's financial interests to have that happen. He wasn't able to shift the club for 250m, then for 150m, continued poor finishes would mean even lower figures - relegation would mean practically no chance of him getting anything close to the money he put into the club back. He likely thought he'd have no problem getting 150m, and probably deemed the losses on that figure the bottom rung of acceptable, which is why he came up with it. Now he's got to be accepting the fact that the only way to get his money back, or close to it, is to have a successful (relatively speaking) Aston Villa that's attractive to buyers. In the past 12 months he's gotten the off the pitch stuff heading in the right direction, but that wasn't enough to bring a sale even though he likely thought it would be. The only place left to focus on is the actual results in the hope that improvement there WILL help him shift the club But how desperate is it to shift the club? He wants nothing to do with us and has openly admitted that. He might be happy to sit on the club for a few years and just wait for it to be sold. I doubt he's desperate for the money right now. He's done little in his time here to give me any faith that he would want to do any of what you say or do anything to see us have long term success. You have a lot of faith in a man that has overseen the past abysmal 5 years. It won't sell if it keeps going the way it has been though. The last 2 years of failed attempts to sell it will show him that. If he sits on it and things continue as they are, the money he'll get from a sale decreases every season. He's a businessman, and businessmen don't like to hold onto deprecating investments But is it a depreciating business? More and more money will keep piling into the premier league, in the near future it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger. As long as we stay in the league and he's not covering losses then surely a premier league club will not lose value over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not the worst news really. We have a good set up currently. Sure a new owner could've been exciting but we have finally seem to have something good happening here. How we finished 17th ffs !! And if we finish 17th again then DVIN will be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NulliSecundus Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Aston Villa takeover deal is dead, says manager Tim Sherwood - BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I think the longer he stays the more we become just a lower half team aiming to survive. I don't think that's the case at all. It's not in Lerner's financial interests to have that happen. He wasn't able to shift the club for 250m, then for 150m, continued poor finishes would mean even lower figures - relegation would mean practically no chance of him getting anything close to the money he put into the club back. He likely thought he'd have no problem getting 150m, and probably deemed the losses on that figure the bottom rung of acceptable, which is why he came up with it. Now he's got to be accepting the fact that the only way to get his money back, or close to it, is to have a successful (relatively speaking) Aston Villa that's attractive to buyers. In the past 12 months he's gotten the off the pitch stuff heading in the right direction, but that wasn't enough to bring a sale even though he likely thought it would be. The only place left to focus on is the actual results in the hope that improvement there WILL help him shift the club But how desperate is it to shift the club? He wants nothing to do with us and has openly admitted that. He might be happy to sit on the club for a few years and just wait for it to be sold. I doubt he's desperate for the money right now. He's done little in his time here to give me any faith that he would want to do any of what you say or do anything to see us have long term success. You have a lot of faith in a man that has overseen the past abysmal 5 years. It won't sell if it keeps going the way it has been though. The last 2 years of failed attempts to sell it will show him that. If he sits on it and things continue as they are, the money he'll get from a sale decreases every season. He's a businessman, and businessmen don't like to hold onto deprecating investments But is it a depreciating business? More and more money will keep piling into the premier league, in the near future it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger. As long as we stay in the league and he's not covering losses then surely a premier league club will not lose value over time. He couldn't sell it at 250m last year, then he couldn't sell it at 150m this year. That's a 100m deprecation in what he was asking for in 12 months, and still no takers. The worse the club performs, and the less relevant it becomes, the less it's worth. He's been gearing everything up towards a sale for the last 2 1/2 years, and the sale hasn't come, he can no longer continue to run it in the "ready to sell" fashion any more, that's reached its limit now. The longer it continues, the less it's worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 We have no idea how much he was trying to sell it for last year and this year so there's no way you can claim the clubs value has dropped £100 million in a year. And he can continue running it like that because he may not be desperate for a sale. He clearly isn't as it seems we've had the chance to be sold twice and it hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 My take away is that the consortium who were closest to buying us have pulled out of the deal but there are still others interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2015 My take away is that the consortium who were closest to buying us have pulled out of the deal but there are still others interested. I'm sure there's a hell of a lot of people who are interested. It's meaningless though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 We have no idea how much he was trying to sell it for last year and this year so there's no way you can claim the clubs value has dropped £100 million in a year. And he can continue running it like that because he may not be desperate for a sale. He clearly isn't as it seems we've had the chance to be sold twice and it hasn't happened. It was widely reported last summer that the asking price was 250m, just as it was widely reported this summer that it was 150m. Both could be way wide of the mark, but we've got little else to go on. And although you reckon he's not desperate to sell, the fact that he's actively attempted to do just that twice in a year suggests otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 We have no idea how much he was trying to sell it for last year and this year so there's no way you can claim the clubs value has dropped £100 million in a year. And he can continue running it like that because he may not be desperate for a sale. He clearly isn't as it seems we've had the chance to be sold twice and it hasn't happened. It was widely reported last summer that the asking price was 250m, just as it was widely reported this summer that it was 150m. Both could be way wide of the mark, but we've got little else to go on. And although you reckon he's not desperate to sell, the fact that he's actively attempted to do just that twice in a year suggests otherwise. I think he wants to sell, he wants nothing to do with us. But that doesn't mean he's desperate to sell and that doesn't mean he's desperate enough to want to build a successful team to help him sell. We have no idea what he really plans. The only facts we have are what we've seen from being a club owned by the man. And it's been poor, he's made us worse. I hope you're right, but there's really nothing to suggest it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Whether a takeover is near or not I don't think Sherwood actually knows anything and he also doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that likes to say he doesn't know anything. If you know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 My take away is that the consortium who were closest to buying us have pulled out of the deal but there are still others interested. I'm sure there's a hell of a lot of people who are interested. It's meaningless though. Tony Adams it is then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I hope you're right, but there's really nothing to suggest it. I'd say there is. Bringing Fox in shows, to me, a willingness to start going about things properly rather than just treading water. We'll know for sure this time next year either way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Getting the club back to being profitable, means we can spend more. Success leads to bigger income both from commercial side and premier league / sky cash as well as increased gates and season tickets. All of which feed into more cash to invest under FFP. We've been moving in the right direction (financially) over the last year and this summer will see more invested in the playing side, hopefully leading to an upward spiral. New owners wouldn't massively change the outlook I don't think. Mid-table next season, kick on to top 10 the next and we'll be back on track and a more attractive and valuable asset to sell. If the takeover is dead now, Lerner needs to keep the team in place (plus an experienced chairman) to deliver that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Aww smeg, I was really hoping to be sold this summer. Sherwood is a pretty darn good source for the info so it is hard to think that this is anything other than genuine. It just feels like we are in a holding pattern as a club, waiting to see what our next move will be. It will take a remarkable effort from the team under Randy to move the club forward. Thank god for Delph staying or I would be really quite sad about football now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Wonder how many season tickets they sold on the back of the exclusivity news.... Do you really think out fans are that stupid? Those who have purchased a st (myself included) would've done so anyway. So you speak for all fans now do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 If we were to improve our position in the League and therefor also our financial position year on year, I suspect Lerner would remain, but leaving the running of the club to Fox, Sherwood and/ or the new chairman. I get the feeling that he is gradually renewing his affiliation with the club since the black days last year when he wanted no more to do with it. I am not bothered who owns the club as long as he facilitates an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilchard Posted July 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2015 Takeovers certainly aren't the guarantee of a improvement in fortunes. I can only really think of Man City and Chelsea (and too a much smaller extent, ourselves for the first three years), which were freak events lets be honest, where the standing of a club has improved dramatically. Just off the top of my head - Small Heath, West Ham, Newcastle, Portsmouth (Remember them?), Blackburn, Fulham, QPR - all victims of takeovers which made things worse and in some cases much worse. You'd question whether the Sunderland takeover has done them any good and the real turn around in fortunes seem to happen at the clubs in the Championship where a structure can be put in place, learning of the 'business' is less critical to be over a short space of time and less money (often more than we've been spending to be fair....) is needed to improve the squad. So in that respect it's doesn't really matter. It's 'as you were'. It was nice to have the hope that some mega-rich maniac would decide the best thing to do with his money is give it to some slightly less richer men to kick a ball about better than what we have now but it's not to be. I guess I wanted Lerner gone and away from AVFC as because, just as why I felt Lambert had to go, I wanted hope that things could get better and that's something I'm not sure will be achieved until Lerner as money has been and feels like will be the number one talking point for years - and not the team. I appreciate the changes made in the last twelve months and Sherwood is a breath of fresh air, even if perhaps the last few results of last season brought me down to reality after thinking perhaps the regular hoofings/embarrassments under Lambert wouldn't be happening anymore. The new commercial fella hasn't brought in mega money on the shirt deal or what Fox was saying AVFC should be looking for, obviously we need to sign some players and see them playing to see Reilly's contribution and whilst the release clause on Delph is now constantly going to hang over us, at least Fox got him to sign it in the first place and he's actually staying too. The joined up thinking, with 'experts' in their particular roles all working together has to be better than the previous Falkner running around, hasn't it? There certainly is a 'feeling' that things are beginning to be ran in the right way - something that can breed success (or as much success as a non mega rich club can these days). Let's get the Benteke money, spend it wisely, and hope that's enough to at least get us through another twelve months of the Premier League when hopefully it'll be third time lucky. Any takeover wasn't going to be a guarantee things were going to get any better, so in the disappointment league table when it comes to Villa it'd barely top half. Disappointing, but not half as disappointing as some of the things that has gone on before this summer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 While we are not successful we will struggle our asses of to get sold. If we start to omprove and get up the table a little , maybe just maybe. But at the moment unfortunately its hard to say as a fan, but we simply have nothing going for us. We aren't even at Stoke's or even Swansea's level. We are asking someone to buy a mutimillion pound business which is still failing year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Wonder how many season tickets they sold on the back of the exclusivity news....Do you really think out fans are that stupid? Those who have purchased a st (myself included) would've done so anyway.So you speak for all fans now do you? Where have I said that do? I'm merely suggesting that I can't imagine any fan would've brought a st solely on a rumour (never even any comments from the club) that the club was being sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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