Popular Post CrackpotForeigner Posted March 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2015 Indeed. 19 points from our final 24 games that season. Lambert remaining in employment being bad for this club was clear to anybody who hadn't invested all their credibility in him being a success. Haha! There's a none-too-subtle dig. I hope Sherwood is a fantastic manager, but his track record is nonexistent. Lambert's track record was amazing, and his transfer dealings were pretty good. There are other reasons why he wasn't sacked after the second season: mostly the fact that nearly all our best players were injured. Lambert was quite rightly given the chance to show what he could do with a squad of players of his choosing when they were (mostly) all fit and available. Once he had signed Gil and Sinclair I think it was fair to say that the squad was finally 1. His, and 2. Mostly fit. When performances and results still didn't pick up the club decided to take the plunge, and quite rightly too. It's nice that you seem to feel your credibility has been boosted by Lambert not having been a success, but really if you think that anyone has lost credibility by it then you haven't really understood what they've been saying. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isa Posted March 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Haha! There's a none-too-subtle dig. I hope Sherwood is a fantastic manager, but his track record is nonexistent. Lambert's track record was amazing, and his transfer dealings were pretty good. There are other reasons why he wasn't sacked after the second season: mostly the fact that nearly all our best players were injured. Lambert was quite rightly given the chance to show what he could do with a squad of players of his choosing when they were (mostly) all fit and available. Once he had signed Gil and Sinclair I think it was fair to say that the squad was finally 1. His, and 2. Mostly fit. When performances and results still didn't pick up the club decided to take the plunge, and quite rightly too. It wasn't a specific dig at you although it was in response to a response to your post so I can see how it might've come across as that. It was a general point. I didn't have a problem with those who want to believe in a manager and give him a fair crack of the whip. However, the unjustifiable blind faith and fanatical devotionalism with Lambert was something else. I've never seen any other manager afforded such leeway based on so little. Many just seemed to buy into a narrative and rigidly stuck with it thereafter, regardless of what actually happened on the pitch. Almost cult like. And Lambert's "amazing" track record was actually restricted to one club and involved just one season in the Premier League. Hardly José Mourinho and certainly didn't warrant the aforementioned blind faith. The difference is already clear with Sherwood. Regardless of feelings towards him, there is a prevalent critical interest in his reign. His comments, tactics, selections are freely questioned. Something that wasn't tolerated for a long period when it came to his predecessor. It's nice that you seem to feel your credibility has been boosted by Lambert not having been a success, but really if you think that anyone has lost credibility by it then you haven't really understood what they've been saying. Nope, I understood perfectly fine thanks. It doesn't make a lot of it any less ridiculous. Edited March 5, 2015 by Isa 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 His premier league track record but not his managerial track record, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The difference is already clear with Sherwood. I hope you're right. Seeing as we've actually won a game this month I'm a bit of a fan already, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Sherwood turns out to be more style than substance. Still, though, style is probably what we needed with a half-decent squad and 13 games to avoid relegation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Did anyone hear him on Talk Sport? They trailled him being on from 6.30 onwards, then said he would be on between 8 and 9. Then as I was driving to work, they said he'd be on in a few mins - I waited in car till 9.00 but then had to go in to work!! How irritating they are on that station at times! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Did anyone hear him on Talk Sport? They trailled him being on from 6.30 onwards, then said he would be on between 8 and 9. Then as I was driving to work, they said he'd be on in a few mins - I waited in car till 9.00 but then had to go in to work!! How irritating they are on that station at times! They played you like a liiiitle fiddle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Did anyone hear him on Talk Sport? They trailled him being on from 6.30 onwards, then said he would be on between 8 and 9. Then as I was driving to work, they said he'd be on in a few mins - I waited in car till 9.00 but then had to go in to work!! How irritating they are on that station at times! I even drove to work extra slow to listen to it but still missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Indeed. 19 points from our final 24 games that season. Lambert remaining in employment being bad for this club was clear to anybody who hadn't invested all their credibility in him being a success. Lambert's track record was amazing He did well at Norwich yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Did anyone hear him on Talk Sport? They trailled him being on from 6.30 onwards, then said he would be on between 8 and 9. Then as I was driving to work, they said he'd be on in a few mins - I waited in car till 9.00 but then had to go in to work!! How irritating they are on that station at times! I even drove to work extra slow to listen to it but still missed it! They have a listen again feature on the site if you really want to hear what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) The difference is already clear with Sherwood. I hope you're right. Seeing as we've actually won a game this month I'm a bit of a fan already, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Sherwood turns out to be more style than substance. Still, though, style is probably what we needed with a half-decent squad and 13 games to avoid relegation. No, I meant the difference in how he is scrutinised by fans compared with Lambert. With Sherwood, I believed he would generate the short-term boost to keep us up this season but I have no idea how he'll do beyond that. Edited March 5, 2015 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5, 2015 The difference is already clear with Sherwood. I hope you're right. Seeing as we've actually won a game this month I'm a bit of a fan already, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Sherwood turns out to be more style than substance. Still, though, style is probably what we needed with a half-decent squad and 13 games to avoid relegation. No, I meant the difference in how he is scrutinised by fans compared with Lambert is different. With Sherwood, I believed he would generate the short-term boost to keep us up this season but I have no idea how he'll do beyond that. That was the gamble wasn't it? Whether he coudl produce that short term boost, by no means certain yet that he can. Looking good though, beat the baggies again and beat Sunderland and you'd have to say we'd be flying at that point. The test will be the first league defeat now, and the manner in which we play in defeat and the reaction as a group. If all the wheels come off again and the bubble bursts I think it's safe to say there's something rotten with the group now, before pointing fingers at Sherwood. At that point though you'd have to question the gamble if the short term boost doesn't fully materialise and we go down. Still though I think it's win-win for Sherwood in a way, if it goes tits up he has some more experience will have demonstrated that he has balls and at least partly managed to turn it around here but the odds were stacked against him. So probably enough to get him in the frame for another decent job if we go down, or he is a hero who against all the odds managed to save us. Longer term that that, yeah you're right who can say? No-one as yet knows what he is like in terms of identifying weakness in the squad and getting value for money in the transfer market strengthening the squad as he's never done it before.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 https://vine.co/v/OQjaFM2HXvA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Can't knock him too much so far. Largely good performances, with differing styles which is a rarity! Tactical switches which work and look like they change our play. Lovely stuff. He wants it as well, he really wants it. But I'm sorry, his subs have not been good enough. You can call hindsight, but a lot of them at the time, people are saying it they look weak. Cleverley for Bacuna is always dangerous as Bacuna doesn't know what he's doing in the middle, he has to be more advanced. IMO if Gil had started over Zog, we'd have been two or three up at HT - strange he doesn't seem to fancy him so far. Grealish had a hand in the goal and was OK, but didn't get into the game as much as I'd have liked. He was showing for it to be fair, but maybe he doesn't have the presence to really demand it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted March 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5, 2015 Did anyone hear him on Talk Sport? They trailled him being on from 6.30 onwards, then said he would be on between 8 and 9. Then as I was driving to work, they said he'd be on in a few mins - I waited in car till 9.00 but then had to go in to work!! How irritating they are on that station at times! It was awesome! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Longer term that that, yeah you're right who can say? No-one as yet knows what he is like in terms of identifying weakness in the squad and getting value for money in the transfer market strengthening the squad as he's never done it before.... Yes, very much an unknown quantity. In some ways I prefer that to a more proven albeit limited and predictable manager á la Pulis and Allardyce. It's exciting in terms of the intrigue - how he'll approach the market, what sort of team he'll build, what system he'll work towards etc. The most important managerial trait if he is to achieve anything significant long-term will be tactical acumen and flexibility. No matter how good they are in the market or how good they are as motivators/man-managers and coaches, tactically one-dimensional managers always get found out. Although I will criticise when I feel it is appropriate, I won't be too judgemental regarding his decisions this season. One of the main things he stressed in both his first press-conference and interview was that the philosophy (i.e. playing style) in the short-term would be totally different from that in the long-term. So I'll hold him to that. Saying that, I did take a great deal of encouragement from the Albion game. Especially the shape, it was primarily a diamond but flucuated at times - fluid, in other words. There was genuine interchange and off-the-ball movement. Sort of epitomised by Grealish effectively being given a free role when coming on. It was a sign that Sherwood may be capable of some element of tactical sophistication. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The bloke's confidence speaks for itself He says that if we survive this season we will never be in this position again Exciting times is he privvy to info about is being bought in the summer maybe? I can't wait to see some of the exciting youngsters he can sign in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The bloke's confidence speaks for itself He says that if we survive this season we will never be in this position again Exciting times is he privvy to info about is being bought in the summer maybe? I can't wait to see some of the exciting youngsters he can sign in the summer. We can but hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Longer term that that, yeah you're right who can say? No-one as yet knows what he is like in terms of identifying weakness in the squad and getting value for money in the transfer market strengthening the squad as he's never done it before.... Yes, very much an unknown quantity. In some ways I prefer that to a more proven albeit limited and predictable manager á la Pulis and Allardyce. It's exciting in terms of the intrigue - how he'll approach the market, what sort of team he'll build, what system he'll work towards etc. The most important managerial trait if he is to achieve anything significant long-term will be tactical acumen and flexibility. No matter how good they are in the market or how good they are as motivators/man-managers and coaches, tactically one-dimensional managers always get found out. Although I will criticise when I feel it is appropriate, I won't be too judgemental regarding his decisions this season. One of the main things he stressed in both his first press-conference and interview was that the philosophy (i.e. playing style) in the short-term would be totally different from that in the long-term. So I'll hold him to that. Saying that, I did take a great deal of encouragement from the Albion game. Especially the shape, it was primarily a diamond but flucuated at times - fluid, in other words. There was genuine interchange and off-the-ball movement. Sort of epitomised by Grealish effectively being given a free role when coming on. It was a sign that Sherwood may be capable of some element of tactical sophistication. This is pretty much where I'm at. One thing people have used against Sherwood is that he's a standard 442 bloke that's crap at tactics and is only a rabble rouser. Well the Albion game debunked that as as you say it was a diamond with certain players quite fluid. It's only 3 games but there's been a significant improvement on tempo and desire if that can be allied to changing tactics to suit the opposition I'm sure we will all be happy. It also makes a change to actually looking forward to hear what he has to say in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 a sign that Sherwood may be capable of some element of tactical sophistication. If you can find evidence of tactical sophistication in games that we lose, I'll be much more impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 5, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5, 2015 The bloke's confidence speaks for itself He says that if we survive this season we will never be in this position again Someone else said that exact same thing last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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