Stevo985 Posted October 1, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm sorry but buy this argument that Lambert is a shit manager and is just "lucky" not to be sacked. Given all the shit he's had to deal with from the board I don't think he's done a bad job at all. Rubbish! He's the only manager in the Premier League who has never had to rely on results to keep his job. If he was decent he would have resigned because of all the 'shit from the board' but he knows he will never get such a high profile job again. Plus I don't see what shit from the board is either there are plenty of managers who work to a budget and he has always been adamant that he makes all the footballing decisions such as his failed 'young and hungry' experiments. All the past few years have proved are that Norwich was his glass ceiling! All Premier League managers have to rely on results to keep their job - including Lambert. So Lambert is indecent because he's sticking with a job despite having to work under tough conditions? What tough conditions? With Lambert's record over the past two seasons any other Chairman in the League would have sacked Lambert. Managers with better records than Lambert have been sacked! All he has had to do is suck up to Lerner! Easy for a hard up gimp! I have no problem with people slating Lambert. But most of your criticism seems to be based on total conjecture. Your probably right but show me where anyone on here has ever dealt in facts. So are we in for more surviving in the Premier League years for the foreseeable then? People deal in facts all the time on here. There's plenty of people who level criticism at Lambert and back it up with facts. That's fair enough even if I don't agree with them a lot. But your posts seem to be relying on stuff like "we will finish in the bottom quarter this season" (conjecture) and that Lambert is only surviving by "sucking up to Lerner". Again, conjecture. Criticise all you like, but don't make stuff up. That smacks of desperation, whichever side of the argument is doing it. Fair Enough Stevo. But isn't this forum also for giving one's opinion? Most posts are actually opinions of the posters not facts. Hey ho though we go again! Of course it is. But giving your opinion and passing your opinion off as fact are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think PL is a very good manager and I very happy that he is here for the long haul. What we need is stability and a manager with an eye for a good bargain in the transfer market and PL has that. Stability? Could have kept McLeish. Eye for a bargain? It's hit and miss - like most managers. Some of the worst performances I have ever seen from 20 years of watching Villa and he's yet to prove to me we are heading anywhere with his "style". Stability purely for stability's sake was also the sort of rationale behind the awarding of a new eight-year deal at Newcastle. That went well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm sorry but buy this argument that Lambert is a shit manager and is just "lucky" not to be sacked. Given all the shit he's had to deal with from the board I don't think he's done a bad job at all. Rubbish! He's the only manager in the Premier League who has never had to rely on results to keep his job. If he was decent he would have resigned because of all the 'shit from the board' but he knows he will never get such a high profile job again. Plus I don't see what shit from the board is either there are plenty of managers who work to a budget and he has always been adamant that he makes all the footballing decisions such as his failed 'young and hungry' experiments. All the past few years have proved are that Norwich was his glass ceiling! All Premier League managers have to rely on results to keep their job - including Lambert. So Lambert is indecent because he's sticking with a job despite having to work under tough conditions? What tough conditions? With Lambert's record over the past two seasons any other Chairman in the League would have sacked Lambert. Managers with better records than Lambert have been sacked! All he has had to do is suck up to Lerner! Easy for a hard up gimp! I have no problem with people slating Lambert. But most of your criticism seems to be based on total conjecture. Your probably right but show me where anyone on here has ever dealt in facts. So are we in for more surviving in the Premier League years for the foreseeable then? People deal in facts all the time on here. There's plenty of people who level criticism at Lambert and back it up with facts. That's fair enough even if I don't agree with them a lot. But your posts seem to be relying on stuff like "we will finish in the bottom quarter this season" (conjecture) and that Lambert is only surviving by "sucking up to Lerner". Again, conjecture. Criticise all you like, but don't make stuff up. That smacks of desperation, whichever side of the argument is doing it. Fair Enough Stevo. But isn't this forum also for giving one's opinion? Most posts are actually opinions of the posters not facts. Hey ho though we go again! Of course it is. But giving your opinion and passing your opinion off as fact are two different things. I thought I was giving my opinion as otherwise I would have pre-cursored the statement 'This is a fact 100%'.... which I didn't. Remember I am just a dumb Brummie who hasn't mastered the Queen's Englishyet, that is a fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Queen's English has got nothing to do with it - it's how you word things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 You don't have to preface everything with a 'this is my opinion' but saying things like 'we will finish in the bottom corner' is a fact, whether you meant it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Jose Sourfaceinho (he reminds me of Jeff Dunhams' Jose the jalapeno) has never beaten Villa at Villa Park. That must irk the self proclaimed 'special one'. As stated - wonder how good he'd be without a chequebook and a job with pressure (I mean real pressure not a job where he can buy himself out of trouble). I doubt he gives something so irrelevent a moment's thought. Maybe so, but it must have irked Jose when the "specialist in failure" lifted the FA Cup in May. Consequently Mourinho does not comment on the opposition now. I have always maintained the guy has no class, no professionalism, no dignity. Sadly JM (currently) has a chequebook to bail him out of any real pressure. I will certainly never forget when the money was not available and the acquisitions of Steve Sidwell and Tal Ben Haim were made by him, nor do I forget the subsequent failure that followed when he had that "modest" budget. Nevertheless, the 2-0 defeat against us played a huge part in his departure from Chelsea. I am sure Jose and his followers will conveniently forget about that year. #Chequebookmanager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 You don't have to preface everything with a 'this is my opinion' but saying things like 'we will finish in the bottom corner' is a fact, whether you meant it or not. ``we will finish in the bottom quarter'', as it is in the future, cannot be a fact, therefore must be conjecture or an opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's just being pedantic. I was going to say that 'the sun will rise tomorrow' as an example of a future fact but you'll probably correct me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 This place is bloody ridiculous at times, and predictably so too. After the Liverpool game if you came on here you'd think we didn't have a care in the world and plenty of people predicted that the boo boys would be out in force again should we predictably be well beaten by one or all of Arsenal, Chelsea and City. Fast forward a couple of weeks and how accurate a forecast was that. To be fair I post on a couple of other sites and it was only VT where the critism of Lambert had subsided. There has been a tendancy to shout down any Lambert critism on here and I therefore think the 'boo boys' as you call them got bullied off here? This place is bloody ridiculous at times, and predictably so too. After the Liverpool game if you came on here you'd think we didn't have a care in the world and plenty of people predicted that the boo boys would be out in force again should we predictably be well beaten by one or all of Arsenal, Chelsea and City. Fast forward a couple of weeks and how accurate a forecast was that. To be fair I post on a couple of other sites and it was only VT where the critism of Lambert had subsided. There has been a tendancy to shout down any Lambert critism on here and I therefore think the 'boo boys' as you call them got bullied off here? Good If you'd come on posting all this after the Liverpool game and after we'd gone four games unbeaten, winning three then at least it might carry some credence. As it is and as it always is it's done after we lose when all concerned become easy targets. I did, got abuse and I reacted to it (when I should have let the mods deal with it) and recieved 4 warning points from the mods. As life too short to have bullies sitting behind their keyboards throwing out personal and disgusting insults I decided to lurk. At least at the moment everyone is remaining civil and a reasonable discussion is being had. Well fair enough then although I have neither the time nor the inclination to verify that. I disagree with you wholeheartedly and I think people need to stop living in the past, what's happened over the last few years has happened and no amount of hindsight or finger pointing will change that. At present I think we've started the season well and have deserved to win the three games we've won, being roundly outplayed by two clubs/sides that have been in the top 15 (maybe 10?) across Europe for the past decade plus does not concern me. If we continue to get results like that against the rest of the division then yes, we'll be in trouble but the games prior to Arsenal give me immense hope that we will fair well generally speaking against sides around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Not judging us by last two games but I really wish we could hold the ball for longer. Want to just get the next game out the way and then start looking forward to games again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Good If you'd come on posting all this after the Liverpool game and after we'd gone four games unbeaten, winning three then at least it might carry some credence. As it is and as it always is it's done after we lose when all concerned become easy targets. Oh please. Criticism is only valid after a win? Ok, then. Your excuses aren't valid after a loss. Even? What excuse? We were well beaten by both arsenal and Chelsea, neither had to get out of first gear to walk all over us. Thats what you get when you can spend £40m plus on one player, or perhaps that's not a valid excuse and actually we should be beating Chelsea and Arsenal (as well as Liverpool) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think PL is a very good manager and I very happy that he is here for the long haul. What we need is stability and a manager with an eye for a good bargain in the transfer market and PL has that. Stability? Could have kept McLeish. Eye for a bargain? It's hit and miss - like most managers. Some of the worst performances I have ever seen from 20 years of watching Villa and he's yet to prove to me we are heading anywhere with his "style". Me too, but then some of the worst circumstances as well. The squad is just not strong enough and PL has never been giving funds to make it stronger than it is. In fact he has wasted very little of our transfer funds and the biz we have done this summer is just amazing. We have spend less than everyone bar one and still look a lot stronger for it. So I am happy with his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Maybe so, but it must have irked Jose when the "specialist in failure" lifted the FA Cup in May. Consequently Mourinho does not comment on the opposition now. I have always maintained the guy has no class, no professionalism, no dignity. Sadly JM (currently) has a chequebook to bail him out of any real pressure. I will certainly never forget when the money was not available and the acquisitions of Steve Sidwell and Tal Ben Haim were made by him, nor do I forget the subsequent failure that followed when he had that "modest" budget. Nevertheless, the 2-0 defeat against us played a huge part in his departure from Chelsea. I am sure Jose and his followers will conveniently forget about that year. #Chequebookmanager Ah yes, the "cheque book manager" who won two European titles in two seasons at Porto. Come on, he thoroughly earned his stripes before Chelsea. Big clubs spend a lot of money, that's how it works. This isn't unique to Mourinho in any way. I always find it amusing though that most of those against Mourinho (not you personally) then excuse Wenger's lack of recent success on the basis that he's not spent as much as some of his rivals. Though if he had, he would no doubt then qualify as a "cheque book" manager by definition. Regarding the emboldened bit, what failure was that then? He was sacked too early in the season to determine how it would have panned out. They made an underwhelming start, nothing more. As was well documented, his sacking had little to do with the results and everything to do with the total breakdown of his relationship with Abramovich which had begun long before that season. Edited October 2, 2014 by Isa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted October 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2014 What excuse? We were well beaten by both arsenal and Chelsea, neither had to get out of first gear to walk all over us. Thats what you get when you can spend £40m plus on one player, or perhaps that's not a valid excuse and actually we should be beating Chelsea and Arsenal (as well as Liverpool) What excuse? "Thats what you get when you can spend £40m plus on one player" - there's one. I think you might be confusing "criticism" with "why the hell can't we beat every team". Nobody is expecting us to compete for the title, nor go to Stamford Bridge and walk away comfortably with the points. Neither does a result always have a direct correlation with performance. What I want to see from Lambert is an improvement in our style and our approach. We surrendered meekly against Chelsea. Why not pressure them? Be a bit more aggressive? Chance getting forward a bit? It's another opportunity for Lambert to stamp his style. To get his squad believing that we can compete (not win - compete) with any team by simply playing better football. And that is my biggest criticism of Lambert: He simply isn't building up to anything. Yes our squad has improved from last season.... ... but our football is not any better. And the constant excuses of "financial constraints" doesn't stop that like the majority here likes to think it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2014 Perhaps because it is completely unrealistic to think we can play better football than a side that spent as much on one player as we have in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Perhaps because it is completely unrealistic to think we can play better football than a side that spent as much on one player as we have in three years. Yes because that's exactly what people are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Perhaps because it is completely unrealistic to think we can play better football than a side that spent as much on one player as we have in three years. No one has said that Trent! What we can do is make it difficult for them not just roll over? Otherwise we may as well just concede the games at Emirates, City of Manc and Stamford Bridge and not bother turning up? Save on the petrol and the confidence loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is said in the post directly above mine. "Get his squad believing that we can compete with any team by simply playing better football". You seemed to miss Anfield off your list, why is that? I also seem to recall Lambert having done okay away at Arsenal. If your expecting. Us to go away to City and Chelsea and play expansive football and take the game to them then I'm sorry but I think you are completely unrealistic and seemingly missing the fact virtually no teams do that away against those sides because the gulf is too big. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is said in the post directly above mine. "Get his squad believing that we can compete with any team by simply playing better football" Better football than having 30% possession and one shot on target on a regular basis does not mean playing better football than Chelsea ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is said in the post directly above mine. "Get his squad believing that we can compete with any team by simply playing better football" Better football than having 30% possession and one shot on target on a regular basis does not mean playing better football than Chelsea ffs. That is your interpretation of what he posted not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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