fightoffyour Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 I wonder what the record number of loss's is in a season and not being relegated , we must be close to it If there is a record to be made then you can be sure Lambert is working hard to achieve it. Made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Vs Swansea for example: Villa: Guzan (Free/mid wages) Baker, Clark, Albrighton, Weimann (Youth/mid wages) Delph, Gabby (higher wages) Vlaar (£3m/ mid wages) Bacuna (£2m/mid wages) El Ahmadi (£2m/ mid wages) and Betrand (loan)Rough team cost around £7m (or £13m with Delph) and now low/ mid range wages Swansea: Vorm (£1.5m/low wages) Amat (£2.5m/ low wages) Williams and Davies (Youth/ Low wages) Rangel and Britton (tiny/ low wages) Britton Shelvey (£5m/ high wages) Hernandez (£5.5m/ mid wages) Routledge (£2m/ high wages) Bony (£12m/ high wages) and then Guzman on loan.Rough team cost £28.5m with similarish (as much as you can guess) wages for the match squad overall. I'm not sure exactly what you are defining as 'high wages' but you do know that Swansea have a wage-cap of around £30k right? This is the reality of us vs. Swansea: Lambert has spent £40.6m (£37.5m net) on 16 players* which averages at ~£2.5m per player. Laudrup spent ~£39m (~£13m net) on 12 players** which averages at ~£3.25m per player. *including Guzan, excluding loans **excluding those who haven't played for the first team and loans Edit: It should be noted that Laudrup utilised the loan-market a lot more to bulk out his squad. Also to note Swansea had the likes of Rangel, Williams, Britton, Dyer, Routledge, Davies to utlilise. Whereas PL had to call upon Clark, Baker, Gabby, Weimann and Delph. I know what set of players I'd like to have called upon. Rodgers also managed to build a decent side there, whereas we had a really poor set of overpaid players. And on top of that Laudrup was working for Hew Jenkins, man who knows what he's doing and questioned the manager on certain things, something PF or Randy could never do as they haven't a clue about football. Edited April 28, 2014 by SikhInTrinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandaq Posted April 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2014 Well, I have been a supporter for long but he has lost me as well. And I am pretty sure Lambert knows that this "project" or whatever acronym you find fitting is over. Shame, I liked a lot of the things he did but others made me confused and angry. Very much pissed about how Helenius still has no game time even though Lambert said he would get some in January after the sheffield game. I know he was injured but come on, benteke and kozak is out, our attack has been dreadful. Shake it up a bit. Or why didn`t you loan him out? Look at wickham, it might be a light in the darkness but it has surely helped them out so they still have a chance of staying up. Holt, while he has done better than expected I still don`t really get it. Why not just use Robinson and get him into it? Why no more wingers? Or that AM?? Infuriating. I know his hands have been tied but it really came to fruition as longer as this season went on that most of the fans here was right when they nagged about it. Obviously some transfers won`t work, specially within the limits he has had but overall it is very much a let down when you see we are in the same state as last season. But overall my biggest gripe is how we play. When we are at our best we look like a different team and it is very much unreasonable to expect that every single match but there has been so many times where we have looked like a different team. I was very lenient on this because we have a very inexperienced squad and very few leaders, if any. Maybe Guzan? But it just doesn`t pick up, I don`t feel any difference or for that matter see it. I still find the idea about Lambert having a big warchest and actually buying some proper players would change things a lot. I know there is a lot of different opinions on that. I have mine and you have yours. What I do find certain is that the damage is done, I very much doubt Lambert will turn it around and he is either sacked or will walk after the season. I am also very terrified and excited about the summer. If there is no takeover, then I really doubt how we will attract any better manager or will do a whole lot better. I don`t want someone like Pulis, I want us to go beyond that and build us up to pushing for top 8 and go from there. I agree that the argument that no one could have done better is bollocks but ask yourself, like REALLY ask yourself, do you have faith in the board to actually appoint a manager that will take us further? That the surroundings and so forth will be put in place to make sure this happen? I surely don`t and unless there is a takeover then I really wonder what our "new" philosophy will play out. Big bet on a bunch of mediocrity and a 12-14th place finish. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I want Lambert out but I have to agree with fans that say not many managers could do much better. I remember seeing the first team he fielded against West Ham at the start of last season and I said we are going down. This would have been a reality if it wasn't for one of Lamberts signings so in that regard you have to give him a little credit. I do think Lambert has to go but I also think whoever takes over is also damned. No manager can do anything with this squad and the restrictions in place. I think It's going to be a relegation battle every year until we eventually go down. This is regardless of who is in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 "Paul, you promised me that in your second season fans would see a noticeable improvement, you lied to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Being slagged on Talkshite now. You know its the end when that happens!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Also to note Swansea had the likes of Rangel, Williams, Britton, Dyer, Routledge, Davies to utlilise. Whereas PL had to call upon Clark, Baker, Gabby, Weimann and Delph. I know what set of players I'd like to have called upon. Rodgers also managed to build a decent side there, whereas we had a really poor set of overpaid players. And on top of that Laudrup was working for Hew Jenkins, man who knows what he's doing and questioned the manager on certain things, something PF or Randy could never do as they haven't a clue about football. Firstly, I wasn't trying to say the situations of both managers was directly comparable, rather I was disputing the idea that Swansea have superior resources to us. Though most of the players inherited by Laudrup aren't anything special. I believe Lambert had the budget to buy a similar calibre of player to the likes of Routledge and Rangal. Intersting that you include Davies. A player given his debut and shown faith in by Laudrup. Something Lambert could've done but has consistantly chosen not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blame Paul Lambert. Blah! Blah! Blah! It's all his fault. Blah! Blah! Blah! You don't know what your doing. Blah! Blah! Blah! He hasn't got a clue. Blah! Blah! Blah! I never wanted him in the first place. Blah! Blah! Blah! We go again. Blah! Blah! Blah! Well actually No. I don't blame Paul Lambert. It's definitely not his fault. He does know what he is doing. He has very much more than a clue. I wanted him in 100% in the first place & still do & like he says guys, "We go again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 VillaR. Its gone to far. Even if we still want him here its gone to far, he's lost most of the fans an some could argue the team!!! He's done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blah, blah, blah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Lambert's been hard done by, it's not his tactics it's 'this that and the other', he's a walking genius ... blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blame Paul Lambert. Blah! Blah! Blah! It's all his fault. Blah! Blah! Blah! You don't know what your doing. Blah! Blah! Blah! He hasn't got a clue. Blah! Blah! Blah! I never wanted him in the first place. Blah! Blah! Blah! We go again. Blah! Blah! Blah! Well actually No. I don't blame Paul Lambert. It's definitely not his fault. He does know what he is doing. He has very much more than a clue. I wanted him in 100% in the first place & still do & like he says guys, "We go again." Thanks for relieving any doubts I had that you are intentionally trolling just to provoke a reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 Betting suspended on him being the next manager to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 uh oh......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blame Paul Lambert. Blah! Blah! Blah! It's all his fault. Blah! Blah! Blah! You don't know what your doing. Blah! Blah! Blah! He hasn't got a clue. Blah! Blah! Blah! I never wanted him in the first place. Blah! Blah! Blah! We go again. Blah! Blah! Blah! Well actually No. I don't blame Paul Lambert. It's definitely not his fault. He does know what he is doing. He has very much more than a clue. I wanted him in 100% in the first place & still do & like he says guys, "We go again." Thanks for relieving any doubts I had that you are intentionally trolling just to provoke a reaction. No. I have been consistent IMO from day one & have backed Paul Lambert implicitely. There are still fans who recognise his virtues. Ultimately it won't be me who calls time on his services but that is out of my hands entirely as it always will be. I just think fans have gone OTT since the Palace game & are having a cheap pop at Paul Lambert who has been bustin' his balls trying to get the juggernaut to turn 180 degrees. They say that you find out more about people & fans when in adversity than when your having great success. Many Man Utd fans wanted Sour Alex out after 3 seasons. They were wrong. I believe many Villa fans are wrong about Lambo. I just hope the current board keep faith or a new board too if the prospective take over speculation comes to fruition. One day Paul Lambert is gonna' prove you all wrong. I just hope this turns out to be during his tenure at Villa Park. He goes again. We go again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blame Paul Lambert. Blah! Blah! Blah! It's all his fault. Blah! Blah! Blah! You don't know what your doing. Blah! Blah! Blah! He hasn't got a clue. Blah! Blah! Blah! I never wanted him in the first place. Blah! Blah! Blah! We go again. Blah! Blah! Blah! Well actually No. I don't blame Paul Lambert. It's definitely not his fault. He does know what he is doing. He has very much more than a clue. I wanted him in 100% in the first place & still do & like he says guys, "We go again." Think you need to assess who it it you support, lambert or villa. What you should do is contact lambert and see if he'll take you on as his number 2(in his next job) because you both talk nonsense!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Betting suspended on him being the next manager to leave. Really? If you look here he's 10th most likely! http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-team-to-change-manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Betting suspended on him being the next manager to leave. I can't find any odds on any manager being sacked anywhere....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Blame Paul Lambert. Blah! Blah! Blah! It's all his fault. Blah! Blah! Blah! You don't know what your doing. Blah! Blah! Blah! He hasn't got a clue. Blah! Blah! Blah! I never wanted him in the first place. Blah! Blah! Blah! We go again. Blah! Blah! Blah! Well actually No. I don't blame Paul Lambert. It's definitely not his fault. He does know what he is doing. He has very much more than a clue. I wanted him in 100% in the first place & still do & like he says guys, "We go again." Think you need to assess who it it you support, lambert or villa. What you should do is contact lambert and see if he'll take you on as his number 2(in his next job) because you both talk nonsense!! I think you'll find that there are currently about 35,000 fans behaving like number two's at the moment. Leave the guy alone & give him a break. Like every Villa fan on VT I support Aston Villa. I eat, breath & sleep the club. Villa are my raison d' etre. Just accept we all have different opinions & nobody ultimately is gonna change 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 28, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Betting suspended on him being the next manager to leave. I can't find any odds on any manager being sacked anywhere....? Hmm...I saw on Twitter that they are no longer taking bets on next manager to leave because the market has been suspended due to Lambert. Doing more research it seems the market has just been suspended, for some reason? Morale of the story, dont use Twitter as any kind of source for information Edited April 28, 2014 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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