$200 Million Takeover

[TrinityRoadSteps]

I am surprised Paddy Power haven't opened a book on this 

[The_Lions_Roar]

Seems he just unfollowed Matt Law though, odd.

So probably nothing it.

Maybe he now has the email address so taking it away from social media.

[Jarpie]

Afaik you have to follow someone to send them DMs in Twatter.

[avfcwills10]

Also, Joshua Harris had completed his Due Diligence at Charlton before pulling the plug in December.

 

Perhaps he caught wind of the Villa deal.

 

The information i've found suggests that he and his consortium like buying big potential clubs with a history that are struggling and desperately in need of investment. Sounds like the same type of thing as a high end property developer, only on a much larger scale. 

[Mantis]

Lots of people made good money on Houllier but lots of people lost money on OGS!

Yeah but that was very very close though. I remember the odds plummeted from 25/1 to something like 2/1 in about an hour because tons of people (myself included) on here were chucking money on him.

[Jarpie]

Also, Joshua Harris had completed his Due Diligence at Charlton before pulling the plug in December.

 

Perhaps he caught wind of the Villa deal.

 

The information i've found suggests that he and his consortium like buying big potential clubs with a history that are struggling and desperately in need of investment. Sounds like the same type of thing as a high end property developer, only on a much larger scale. 

 

This could have some legs on it. Aston Villa certainly has lot more potential than Charlton.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

It's always sunny in Villa-Delph-ia

WILDCARD BITCHES! YEEEEEE HAAAAAA

[omariqy]

 

Lots of people made good money on Houllier but lots of people lost money on OGS!

Yeah but that was very very close though. I remember the odds plummeted from 25/1 to something like 2/1 in about an hour because tons of people (myself included) on here were chucking money on him.

 

Ah the good old days.  I remember being so gutted that we didn't get OGS and got PL.  Looking at it now seems we could've done without either of them.

[samjp26]

 

Also, Joshua Harris had completed his Due Diligence at Charlton before pulling the plug in December.

 

Perhaps he caught wind of the Villa deal.

 

The information i've found suggests that he and his consortium like buying big potential clubs with a history that are struggling and desperately in need of investment. Sounds like the same type of thing as a high end property developer, only on a much larger scale. 

 

This could have some legs on it. Aston Villa certainly has lot more potential than Charlton.

 

 

Interesting that they pulled out of the Charlton deal in December, roughly at the same time as Randy converted £90m of debt into equity.

Edited May 14, 2014 by samjp26

[Amo69]

Shame there's no market for next owner betting. With the detective prowess on here we'd no doubt be cleaning out the bookies again.

Again?

[mjames333]

 

It's always sunny in Villa-Delph-ia

WILDCARD BITCHES! YEEEEEE HAAAAAA

 

YES!!!

[NoelVilla]

Also, Joshua Harris had completed his Due Diligence at Charlton before pulling the plug in December.

 

Perhaps he caught wind of the Villa deal.

 

The information i've found suggests that he and his consortium like buying big potential clubs with a history that are struggling and desperately in need of investment. Sounds like the same type of thing as a high end property developer, only on a much larger scale. 

New Jersey Devils have been brilliantly run by GM Lou Lamoriello for a long time but the recent years they have struggled a little bit and it has been mostly down to that Lamoriello had to work with a small budget. Don't know much about the Sixers but Phiadelphia is a real sports town so there is potential there.

 

VT have cracked the case or avfcwills10 did and we all take the credit for it. 

[Mantis]

 

Shame there's no market for next owner betting. With the detective prowess on here we'd no doubt be cleaning out the bookies again.

Again?

 

Loads of people on here made money betting on the Houllier appointment. TheTrees knew Lerner's jet was flying out to Corsica and people on here made the Houllier connection from there.

[botak]

What I am about to say is fact not opinion and is a response to today's posts and generally to what fans think about the relationship between owner funding and Premier League football clubs.

 

I have seen people say if Abramovic or Mansour left their respective clubs that they would go bankrupt within a year and that is simply not true. Both clubs are self sustaining now after the initial massive investment they received.

 

The reason for this is very simple, both clubs have CL money and receive more money for finishing higher in the league than most other clubs in the league but that isn't the big difference between us and them. The big difference is merchandising and sponsorship as I would be surprised if they earned more than 50m more than us from higher finishing money and group stage money for the CL that doesn't go very far when you pay some players 15m a year in your squad.

 

Like I said the stand out difference is sponsorship and merchandising. Sponsorship like the stadium naming rights and kit sponsor at Man City is worth 35m a year to them which people say is over the top and the owners circumventing FFP rules however Man Utd are reported to be signing a deal for 60m a year just for their shirt sponsorship and their training kit deal is worth 20m a year so that puts that myth to shame.

 

Merchandising is mostly selling shirts to people all over the world.

 

Ok Paul your not telling me much I don't know already here.....

 

Ok but why do those clubs get that kind of merchandising sales and sponsorship? Simple they win things and playing at the top end of the table. When some kid in China or Africa chooses an Premier League club they usually pick them because of how they play, a player who plays for them or because they are win things. In some cultures being a winner is a really attractive thing for example.

 

So when Mansour pops into Man City or Abramovic pop into Chelsea and drops a ton of money on the club it may seem really dumb financially but it actually isn't. What that money buys is success when you spend on that kind of level and that in turn buys you the foreign fans and unfortunately more and more in this country the kids of that generation here (how many more top 5 teams tops do you see on kids these days?). That is the merchandising revenue sorted and now the sponsors want you because of those fans following you and your exposure in the media.

 

Simple.

 

The owners get their money back by having a self sustaining club and when they eventually sell on the club is worth loads of money. It isn't hard to imagine City selling for over 500m now is it? Especially in a few years time with a few more cups under their belt and those benefits I just talked about doesn't take into account the other business benefits that someone like Mansour profits from with his Man City connection which are well known.

 

So to anyone who didn't understand that before I hope that debunked a few myths about these top owners just being in it for a benevolence factor.

 

 

Abramovic and Mansur will never make a profit off their investments, they will never get their money back. You might be able to make a club sustainable after a while, but that is only after a vast investment that far outweighs any increase in the value of the club. And missing out on CL for a couple of seasons makes you very unsustainable again.

 

To use Man utd revenue as an example is not a valid comparison, Man utd and even Liverpool have a following that far outweighs teams like Chelsea and Man City, it would take a generation to change this. No jonny come lately clubs have anything close to this sponsorship potential without their owners paying vastly over the odds .

 

Merchandising worldwide is not the potential cash cow you seem to think, few countries will sell more than a few thousand Man City shirts a season. Most people can't afford them. City will get a few promotional gigs, but the main ones all go to Utd, Barca and Real, etc.

 

I live in Indonesia, and there is probably 1 Chelsea fan for every 40 Man Utd fans. For Man City it probably 1 in 100. Yes, people here choose the successful teams to support or teams with popular players, but this is also very fickle, a few poor seasons and they won't stick around or a few transfers of the popular players can have the same effect. You used to see Leeds and Blackburn shirts in Asia, not so much now.

 

Man Utd and Liverpool are the 2 exceptions to the fickle fan. Man Utd probably have 30 'corporate partners' here, Man City promote an energy drink for manual labourers.

 

There is no business model in investing in an English Premiership football club and throwing cash around. A few titles will never give you the clout of Man Utd. It won't even make you Liverpool.

 

A few years of success doesn't make you an elite worldwide brand, and unless you are one of the brand name clubs, you only get left with their crumbs.

Edited May 14, 2014 by botak

[samjp26]

Maybe December is when talks began (Randy converts debt to equity, potential new owners pull out of Charlton deal) and then talks were put on hold as Matt Law states, due to our safety in the league not being secure. Now our safety is secure, Randy announces that the club is up for sale and BoA ML are handling the deal (which Matt Law hinted at in aforementioned article).

 

So deal back on track possibly, leading to Matt Law trying to contact the PR department of the Sixers which I assume is to obtain info to write some sort of article, maybe an overview of the other teams owned by Villa's potential new owners.

 

Again, just trying to piece things together. 

[chappy]

Lots of people made good money on Houllier but lots of people lost money on OGS!

 

 

My mates still rip the piss out of me big time for when I told them to bet big on OGS to Villa and that it would be "like printing free money"

[Amo69]

Shame there's no market for next owner betting. With the detective prowess on here we'd no doubt be cleaning out the bookies again.

Again?

Loads of people on here made money betting on the Houllier appointment. TheTrees knew Lerner's jet was flying out to Corsica and people on here made the Houllier connection from there.

Cool. I wasn't on villatalk much then or would have had a piece of that. I lost money when I laid Mcleish to be next manager. I thought it was impossible.

[Mantis]

The one good thing about the OGS saga was that it pushed everyone else's odds quite far out and I put a few insurance bets on, including Lambert. I'd like to think many others did the same.

 

 

 

 

Shame there's no market for next owner betting. With the detective prowess on here we'd no doubt be cleaning out the bookies again.

Again?

Loads of people on here made money betting on the Houllier appointment. TheTrees knew Lerner's jet was flying out to Corsica and people on here made the Houllier connection from there.

Cool. I wasn't on villatalk much then or would have had a piece of that. I lost money when I laid Mcleish to be next manager. I thought it was impossible.

 

I seem to remember a lot of people advising to lay the shit out of McLeish because we were all convinced it wasn't going to happen.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Mantis

[useless]

There's a big difference between spending 18 Million on Charlton and 200 Million on VIlla. I doubt he pulled out of that deal in order to buy us, but you never know I guess.

 

There aren't any other Championship clubs up for sale are there?

Edited May 14, 2014 by useless

[Mantis]

There's a big difference between spending 18 Million on Charlton and 200 Million on VIlla. I doubt he pulled out of that deal in order to buy us, but you never know I guess.

Is owning two professional clubs even legal?