Risso Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Fans want Lerner to sell. Lerner announces he's actively trying to sell us. Fans criticise Lerner. VT. Fans wanted houllier gone. Lerner sacks houllier Replaces with mcleish Aston Villa under Randy Lerner. Exactly. Doing things well, or doing them badly is the important point rather than the thing merely being done, eg to make a point Stevo985 is hungry. Mrs Stevo985 serves him a tin of dog food for dinner Stev0985 criticises Mrs Stevo985 Stevo985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Thanks Nabby yea wrong manager but still not enough funding anyway for it to be doing a man city. Everton is a good example of doing all the right things at a club for a long time but lets face it people make mistakes and it is money that washes away those mistakes if you sell Rooney for 25m and then piss it up the wall with the best of intentions. Liverpool is a bad example because they had good players already but a hangover from their dominance before UTD and from being what most people used to call a top 4 club is they still get that self funding sponsorship and merchandising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 BTW our pitch is beautiful one of the best in the league still, probably helps we don't play 40 games on it a year though don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Appreciate that Mantis but taking steps you need to know what direction you are walking in. And how is investing sensibly and initially aiming towards mid-table (which was the example I highlighted earlier) not knowing what direction you're going in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Jonathan Calderwood was the chappie that left for gay Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That is illegal under EU law. Even if we left the EU we still couldn't do it as other leagues would pay players more and therefore get the best players, it requires a wage cap done by Fifa which like I said would be illegal and it wouldn't get done anyway. If it's illegal under EU law, how come the Aviva Premiership has had one for 15 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That is illegal under EU law. Even if we left the EU we still couldn't do it as other leagues would pay players more and therefore get the best players, it requires a wage cap done by Fifa which like I said would be illegal and it wouldn't get done anyway. If it's illegal under EU law, how come the Aviva Premiership has had one for 15 years? No idea don't know diddly about rugby but I know capping wages is illegal under eu law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I thought wage caps were just things that clubs enforced themselves. Saying "We will not offer anyone a contract more than XXX per month". If that stops them renewing someone's contract or buying a new player, that's just because they enforced the rule themselves (presumably to keep within a budget), but not anything that is legally enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That is illegal under EU law. Even if we left the EU we still couldn't do it as other leagues would pay players more and therefore get the best players, it requires a wage cap done by Fifa which like I said would be illegal and it wouldn't get done anyway. If it's illegal under EU law, how come the Aviva Premiership has had one for 15 years? No idea don't know diddly about rugby but I know capping wages is illegal under eu law Well they obviously aren't as several top rugby leagues have had them in place for 10+ years without any challenges to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 so the rumours are true... (damn, I have to desist) An owner of that stature would certainly be the Holy Grail. It'll never happen though, so let's move on to the next one. I hear the owner has already drawn up a Blueprint for us to progress to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Appreciate that Mantis but taking steps you need to know what direction you are walking in. And how is investing sensibly and initially aiming towards mid-table (which was the example I highlighted earlier) not knowing what direction you're going in? Who was doing that then? Certainly not Lerner and Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 BTW our pitch is beautiful one of the best in the league still, probably helps we don't play 40 games on it a year though don't you think? Can't remember last time we played any football on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Appreciate that Mantis but taking steps you need to know what direction you are walking in. And how is investing sensibly and initially aiming towards mid-table (which was the example I highlighted earlier) not knowing what direction you're going in? Who was doing that then? Certainly not Lerner and Villa. If you'd read the exchange earlier you'd know that I was talking hypothetically (e.g. someone with a couple of billion bought us and invested fairly but we didn't do a Man City). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 30% has been about money, 70% has been about the awful decisions made at our club. I mean McLeish???? Must be one of the worst decisions ever made in league history. And Houllier weren't an awful lot better - and although I am a Lambert sympathiser - did we get him just because the fans chanted his name....Rather than lerner considering him to be a good fit..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Salary caps in rugby are more of a club salary limit, a bit like most 'merican sports, rather than a limit on how much a player can earn, thus not breaking any laws. Essentially it means a club can't go over a certain set limit, and it's pretty much what Financial Fair Play results in. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Going back to Monday - how did people on twitter get it [Lerners Statement] before the OS .....i know it was only minutes before but I am intrigued....? Edited May 14, 2014 by smetrov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Folski - That is illegal under EU law. Even if we left the EU we still couldn't do it as other leagues would pay players more and therefore get the best players, it requires a wage cap done by Fifa which like I said would be illegal and it wouldn't get done anyway. Incorrect. There's absolutely nothing to stop associations introducing wage caps, legally, once they're presented in a certain way. You cannot stop a club from employing a player, or paying them whatever they want to pay them. THAT is illegal, you can however set rules of eligibility for competitions or tournaments that could prevent a certain weekly wage for REGISTERED players exceeding a certain point. That's the key differentiator. Example, Premier League introduce a wage cap whereby no club is allowed to spend more than 75% of the previous year's earnings on wages for their registered squad. Let's say that figure is £65m for us. Now, there's absolutely nothing in those regulations that prevents us from signing 20 players and paying them £100k a week each (or around £104m per year). We'd be legally entitled to employ them as footballers for whatever wage we see fit, however, correctly worded wage cap regulations would prevent us from registering them all for the Premier League. The key thing is that they would STILL be employees and STILL be footballers plying their trade, they would just be ineligible for a certain competition, or competitions. What will prevent a wage cap from ever happening is the fact that all you need is a single country to opt out, meaning that all the best players in the world would go there because the money would be much higher than elsewhere. That country's league would then become the best and most desirable in the world, and the other leagues would be unable to compete in terms of TV money, sponsorship etc. That's why it'll never happen. Edited May 14, 2014 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That is illegal under EU law. Even if we left the EU we still couldn't do it as other leagues would pay players more and therefore get the best players, it requires a wage cap done by Fifa which like I said would be illegal and it wouldn't get done anyway. If it's illegal under EU law, how come the Aviva Premiership has had one for 15 years? No idea don't know diddly about rugby but I know capping wages is illegal under eu law Well they obviously aren't as several top rugby leagues have had them in place for 10+ years without any challenges to them. We are talking about wage caps for individuals not clubs right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 14, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2014 Fans want Lerner to sell. Lerner announces he's actively trying to sell us. Fans criticise Lerner. VT. Fans wanted houllier gone. Lerner sacks houllier Replaces with mcleish Aston Villa under Randy Lerner. Exactly. Doing things well, or doing them badly is the important point rather than the thing merely being done, eg to make a point Stevo985 is hungry. Mrs Stevo985 serves him a tin of dog food for dinner Stev0985 criticises Mrs Stevo985 Stevo985. So what exactly is Randy supposed to do here? Using your analogy, what would be the equivalent of a slap up 5 course Michelin star dinner? Sell us better? Keep quiet until we're completely sold? Genuinely interestedSell us harder Randy!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 14, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2014 Fans want Lerner to sell. Lerner announces he's actively trying to sell us. Fans criticise Lerner. VT. Fans wanted houllier gone. Lerner sacks houllier Replaces with mcleish Aston Villa under Randy Lerner.thank you for this summary of a small part of Randy's ownership. What it has to do with my post is beyond me. But it was nice of you to keep up appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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