Butterfingers Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 44 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: By his standards it was a decent performance but he demonstrated no quality or cutting edge. In particular the moment where he cut inside and shot he should have pass the ball square to McCormack who was not only in a better shooting position but is also a better finisher - brainless. It happened in a split second. It might have looked the obvious thing to do, sat watching on Sky Sports 1 but they were almost on top of each other immediately. I wouldn't blame him for that personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Just now, Butterfingers said: It happened in a split second. It might have looked the obvious thing to do, sat watching on Sky Sports 1 but they were almost on top of each other immediately. I wouldn't blame him for that personally. A good player would have seen McCormack in space and passed it, sadly Bacuna isn't a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 42 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Excellent. Let's hope that one cross 18 months ago can be the inspiration for our promotion It wasn't 1 cross. He was instrumental in that mini revival under Sherwood. Benteke was raving about him. Have a look at the Sunderland 4-0 and see the damage he caused. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: A good player would have seen McCormack in space and passed it, sadly Bacuna isn't a good player. Do you realise how perfect the weight of the pass would have had to have been in such a short distance? I'm not claiming Bacuna is a good player but I don't blame him for shooting in that position. I'd add that there are not many players on the planet, let alone the championship that could have made a better chance by passing in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AVTuco Posted August 7, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2016 21 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I'd rather get the booing fans out before Bacuna. More detrimental to the team. This. Mindless cretins. Those people are not fans. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Butterfingers said: It wasn't 1 cross. He was instrumental in that mini revival under Sherwood. Benteke was raving about him. Have a look at the Sunderland 4-0 and see the damage he caused. He was instrumental in our relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyavfc Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Anonymous first half, but did play well 2nd half. I think he will be a useful player for us this year, however I don't think he should be starting every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoughboroughLion Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Don't think he deserves the stick he gets. He is an okay player and find to be a squad player should we bring in a new CM and winger. Think confidence is the issue with him - as with many players. If he gets used to winning a few games, think he would be a completely different player. *tin hat on* Would be interested in seeing him at RB again. Think if someone coached him on his positioning, he is athletic enough to do a good job there. Better than Hutton anyway - which I know isn't saying much, but still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I was at the game today and didn't hear any boos aimed towards him i thought he did ok and was nice to see him chase down some lost causes. Looked like he gave a damn. That being said I don't think he is a starter in midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Butterfingers Posted August 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2016 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: He was instrumental in our relegation. As was every other member of the squad. Why the need to single out Bacuna? He is wearing a Villa shirt and is charged with being instrumental in our promotion Being negative/booing him is being instrumental in ensuring we don't get promoted. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, Butterfingers said: As was every other member of the squad. Why the need to single out Bacuna? He is wearing a Villa shirt and is charged with being instrumental in our promotion Being negative/booing him is being instrumental in ensuring we don't get promoted. The vast majority of that squad are being shipped out let's not pretend bacuna is the sole victim here. If lescott had played today it would have been similar. Your last point I kind of agree with and I think could be bad for us. That's why I think we should get rid. He's not good enough for fans to forgive him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Didn't hear any booing today tbf didnt do enough in preseason to warrant starting and green should have come on earlier IMO he was a bit safe and reserved today, still think his problem is he's a jack of all trades and quite definitely master of none, he's not quick enough, or skillful enough or naturally a winger, he doesn't track back well enough to protect Hutton and he doesn't really cross that much from deep...so what exactly does he do? He's a bit ineffectual and pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: The vast majority of that squad are being shipped out let's not pretend bacuna is the sole victim here. If lescott had played today it would have been similar. Your last point I kind of agree with and I think could be bad for us. That's why I think we should get rid. He's not good enough for fans to forgive him. He's on a 4 year contract and the new manager appears to want to involve him. Maybe getting rid isn't an option? Maybe getting rid of others is priority? It is highly unlikely that Bacuna will be starting for us come September. If the manager sees him as an asset to the club then we should support both the manager and the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted August 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Xela said: And pissing about on a hoverboard after Villa lost. When you read that back, does it seem like a very significant charge sheet? 'posted a photo of himself sunbathing' 'used a hoverboard after losing' I don't know, kind of seems like small beer to me. The actual reason to dislike him is that he's not very good, and that he gave up during the run-in last season, a slip in effort which led, ultimately, to that horrendous back pass, the likes of which I've never seen before. There's a problem though. For whatever reason, our new manager - the one we're supposed to be quite happy with, who won the Champions League once - wants to use him. He wants to use Bacuna even though there are other players, like Veretout, who can play in that position. So we're left with a choice, as fans. We can either give him a fresh start (and note that he wasn't terrible today, and did seem to be trying hard) or we can chant 'you're **** shit' at him after he wins us a corner. It might be hard to swallow, but right now I feel like the first path has more to recommend it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: Yes, I haven't said they shouldn't. I've just said they won't. unfortunately that's the situation. I'd rather him no play because of that and his lack of ability. Problem is, the manager wants to play him. So who picks the team, the fans or the manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2016 Villa is a house that needed to be knocked down. That'll be more difficult if we keep rebuilding the old one. He's not a great player, he never will be, but we're going to need him this year, we're going to need to be a more normal football club - that's going to require an effort from both sides of the white line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Problem is, the manager wants to play him. So who picks the team, the fans or the manager? I'm in agreement. We need to be fully behind the team. But you saying that and me saying that and others saying that doesn't make it happen. It's not going to happen. We have a lot of fans who will not forgive bacuna and a few others and will show that given the opportunity. My point isn't that we turn on bacuna, my point is that this isn't a Disney movie and just wanting positive solidarity doesn't make it happen. Why allow the chance for negativity from the fan base for a player that actually isn't very good? If he doesn't play then it doesn't encourage the backlash. And if he doesn't play we really haven't lost much to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 8pints Posted August 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2016 The things is, he's a maverick, he's eccentric and inconsistent. He's made controversial comments that haven't helped him at all but he's a 'bit of a character.' To be honest I'm finding it difficult to put in to words exactly what I mean, especially my tone as this is the written form, but he's not from the James 'Eat your Greens and keep your head down' MIlner School of Personality, he's more from the Mario 'Let's see if I can balance the ball on my shin and score with my ankle...oh no I can't be bothered...can I? Will I? Woo! Watdablardyeleezeelukinatwutshalihav4myT!?' Balotelli School of Thought Processes. He's hot-headed and impulsive You know some of you bllod-thirsty barbarians love this one ^^^ Bacuna never seems to want to do the simple thing and it massively to his detriment when he loses his focus and concentration and poorly controls a simple pass or sprays the ball out of play or in to the path of the opposition. He can't even do a simple tap in I honestly think his brain just wouldn't or couldn't contemplate a simple tap in, he flumps the ball because he's probably thinking "Shall I back-heel it? Diving Header? Sliding Rabona? Yeah that's a good one...... opooptherezdaballjusdoanyfin!" I know I'm being slightly facetious but I genuinely think there is something in it. He is a bit of an abstract thinker, he's not our best player but he's not our worst, He's unpredictable which can be a blessing and Yes I know who the other tow involved in this move are and a curse If he stays and Di Matteo wants to keep and use him I hope they work on his discipline (Not Kenneth WIlliams) and concentration whilst still encouraging his flair but build a lot more of a functional foundation beneath it. Plus... And in actual fact probably is a good example of Bacuna's mentality when ours is the opposite. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He's filler for the moment, I feel. As he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted August 8, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2016 8pints, that's an excellent description of him. I don't know what it is, but's excellent. And I love pictures instead of text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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