AndyBM Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) I dont like making topics as there people on here that like to always rip in to whoever starts one, however, i was thinking earlier, when we all comment on midfielders, the way they play gets mentioned, which is understandable, so i was wondering what you all think as to what type of midfielders they are, either attacking centre mids, defensive centre mids or box to box type of centre mids thanks key: ACM DCM BCM Ireland El Ahmadi NZogbia Holman Westwood Delph Makoun Sylla Petrov Bannan Herd Gardner Carruthers Edited April 25, 2013 by AndyBM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I can't be asked to go through the whole list but I'll describe one of them. Stan Petrov - holding midfielder and an inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Too much effort, but would play currently Delph, Westwood and Sylla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Is Makoun still on the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Bannan Gardner Carruthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Bannan Gardner Carruthers relegation you want? and no I dont want to see stats or graphs to back up your counter opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This is how I see them I suppose, some of them are a bit flexible and could fit in to different groups. ACM Ireland NZogbia Holman Gardner Carruthers DCM Westwood Makoun Sylla BCM El Ahmadi Delph Petrov Bannan Herd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This is how I see them I suppose, some of them are a bit flexible and could fit in to different groups. ACM Ireland NZogbia Holman Gardner Carruthers DCM Westwood Makoun Sylla BCM El Ahmadi Delph Petrov Bannan Herd Is westwood a defensive midfielder? He doesnt defend very well at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Not including Petrov (as unlikely to play again), Gardner and Carruthers (as haven't seen enough to comment).. I would say that midfield players we have are very unbalanced.. We have 3 AMC in Ireland, Holman and NZog, 2 of these very rarely play. We then have 1 Dmc in Herd, who again doesn't play very often. Thought Sylla was meant to be a Dmc but he has played higher up the field. After that we have a collection of players that don't really fit into the 3 select midfield positions. Whilst all have varying attributes, they are all pretty similar in that they are passing footballers. We don't really have a box to box type that regularly runs beyond the strikers, gambling on balls into the box and then tracks back as well (Milner/Taylor as an example). However, we also don't have that stereotypical "hard" defensive midfielder who will just tackle and play a simple pass. Our midfielders all hang around the middle of the pitch. Despite the numbers we have, for me it is our weakest position and reinforcements (1 Acm, 1dcm at least) are required should we want to improve on our current league position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 This is how I see them I suppose, some of them are a bit flexible and could fit in to different groups. ACM Ireland NZogbia Holman Gardner Carruthers DCM Westwood Makoun Sylla BCM El Ahmadi Delph Petrov Bannan Herd When you see it set out like that,you realise how weak our midfield is, despite having 13 names in the list. ACM is particularly weak. Only Zoggy has put in anything like a shift this season and he often misfires. Zoggy, Delph, Westwood, Sylla, El Ahmadi. I wouldn't look beyond them for regular selection. Maybe Holman as back up. And I would be seriously looking to strengthen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 We have a lot of midfielders but at the same time we're really struggling in that area ! I think Westwood has cemented his spot ! Other two are a choice from : Delph .. Sylla .. N'Zogbia .. Bannan .. KEA .. I think if Gardner comes back .. Maybe a trio of : Sylla .. Westwood .. Gardner .. Would be solid ?! For now .. I think I would start KEA against Sunderland .. the same team who he missed his place for in our away game with them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Our midfield really is a mess. We have 13 players who can do a little bit of everything but isn't really good at anything which is why it's hard to say what their best position is. They have shipped in something like 4 goals all season while helping to create the worst defensive record in club PL-history. Westwood is functional while the 2 players with most natural ability imo (Ireland & N'Zogbia) doesn't seem mature enough to deliver. The rest are squad players at best, some of them are young(ish) and might develop but haven't yet. For the money spent on 13 average midfielders we could easilly get 2-3 really good ones and still keep the promising ones like Westwood, Gardner and so on. Really hope we see a total revamp of the midfield (and defence) this summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) I have absolutely zero confidence in any of them really. You couldnt pick me a line-up where I would say, yes that looks ok. All combos are pretty much well below premiership standard, and I fully believe its the midfield who are most to blame for our current position. Over the course of the season Theyve offered minimal protection to the defence. Theyve created very little Theyve retained possession poorly Theyve offered zero in terms of goal threat bar the odd one or two The crossing is appalling The set pieces are appalling There is zero bite/steal. Honestly the worst group of midfielders I have ever known at the club, and I still stand by that its one of the worst midfields in prem history. All that comes with acknowledgement that things have improved recently. Edited April 26, 2013 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 great feedback, cheers whats thats saying, 'jack of all trades, master of none' that kind of sums up most of our midfielders maybe? ive said in another thread, with so many, i think maybe we would need to sell 3 midfielders to buy 1 better, 6 = 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I have absolutely zero confidence in any of them really. You couldnt pick me a line-up where I would say, yes that looks ok. All combos are pretty much well below premiership standard, and I fully believe its the midfield who are most to blame for our current position. Over the course of the season Theyve offered minimal protection to the defence. Theyve created very little Theyve retained possession poorly Theyve offered zero in terms of goal threat bar the odd one or two The crossing is appalling The set pieces are appalling There is zero bite/steal. Honestly the worst group of midfielders I have ever known at the club, and I still stand by that its one of the worst midfields in prem history. All that comes with acknowledgement that things have improved recently. So in 21 years, with 63 relegations and numerous teams going close, we still have the worst midfield in the history of the Prem? Do you know each of those 63 relegated sides midfields well enough to make some bold claims? All seems a bit sensationalist to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) I have absolutely zero confidence in any of them really. You couldnt pick me a line-up where I would say, yes that looks ok. All combos are pretty much well below premiership standard, and I fully believe its the midfield who are most to blame for our current position. Over the course of the season Theyve offered minimal protection to the defence. Theyve created very little Theyve retained possession poorly Theyve offered zero in terms of goal threat bar the odd one or two The crossing is appalling The set pieces are appalling There is zero bite/steal. Honestly the worst group of midfielders I have ever known at the club, and I still stand by that its one of the worst midfields in prem history. All that comes with acknowledgement that things have improved recently. So in 21 years, with 63 relegations and numerous teams going close, we still have the worst midfield in the history of the Prem? Do you know each of those 63 relegated sides midfields well enough to make some bold claims? All seems a bit sensationalist to me. The 63 relegated teams make up 15% of the premiership population. So I believe its possible that our midfield could be better than all of those teams, yet still be in the worst lot. (Not that I believe our midfield is better than all 63 teams that have been relegated). Were not talking of a handful of teams here. A lot of midfields have existed in this league. 420 to be exact! So if we fell in the bottom 100 (which I have absolutely no doubt they do - without fully knowing all sides midfields) then they can still be considered as one of the worst - certainly in the bottom section anyway. Also, Do bad midfields only exist in teams that are relegated? Do good midfields only exist in teams that stay up? I dont actually see the 'definite' link to relegated teams, that you've solely pinned your argument too Edited April 26, 2013 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Wat..? You really aren't making much sense - you would be better off just admitting that you were being deliberately over the top about our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I was using the relegated team's midfields to make a point. It's sensationalist guff whichever you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Wat..? You really aren't making much sense - you would be better off just admitting that you were being deliberately over the top about our midfield. I dont believe I am. I have said all season how poor I think it is, originally on paper and now in terms of performance. If Im being over the top and its not one of the worst then what is it? One of the best? One of the ok midfields? Theres pretty much only one pigeon hole left. Edited April 27, 2013 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 we could say we currently have the worst midfield in the prem, but its our attack line that is better than the three clubs below us? either way, its certainly an awful midfield, we do have some good midfielders (generally speaking) in westwood, nzogbia, gardner and even ireland, but for whatever reason, zoggy and ireland arent performing to their best ability as they were at their respective previous clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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