Voinjama Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) No I'm not gonna watch. I've seen loads of montages of Ronaldo's greatest goals before, this will be similar, just different music and goals in a different order. Anyway it's fine if you disagree, that's whats being on a forum is all about. But for me C Ronaldo is the better one and I have thought that since the world cup playoff match. Edited April 30, 2014 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 There is only 8 years difference between the 2 Ronaldo's. Some people be talking like they played in completely different eras like the Messi/Maradona comparison. at their peaks there's a lot of difference. Cristiano is peaking now. 2014 Rinaldo peaked in, probably, 97/98? I'm in Rev's boat on that point. Not that Rinaldo was necessarily better...But if Ronaldo had stayed injury free for his career it would be a different story. He was phenomenal. And he got injured because of hatchet men. Interestingly both Ronaldo's hit the same number of career appearances this season (Cristiano has since overtaken) and Brazilian Ronaldo had scored more goals for club and country in the same number of games. Again, you can twist the stats to fit your argument either way, Cristiano was used as a winger early in his career but maybe that's because he wasn't ready to be the spearhead when Brazilian Ronaldo was the complete package as a teenager. Brazilian Ronaldo scored some goals in a weaker league, Cristiano has always been in better teams. They did play in different eras though despite the arguments against it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I just said the specific goal at 0:52, up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Interesting debate. Apart from referring to eras, stats, montages and whatever, I'd be genuinely interested to know why people think C.Ronaldo is better and vice versa. What specifically is it about one player that makes him better than the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Morley, to be honest it's a good question but I don't wanna take this thread even more off topic then it already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 30, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 30, 2014 There is only 8 years difference between the 2 Ronaldo's. Some people be talking like they played in completely different eras like the Messi/Maradona comparison.at their peaks there's a lot of difference. Cristiano is peaking now. 2014 Rinaldo peaked in, probably, 97/98? I'm in Rev's boat on that point. Not that Rinaldo was necessarily better...But if Ronaldo had stayed injury free for his career it would be a different story. He was phenomenal. And he got injured because of hatchet men. Interestingly both Ronaldo's hit the same number of career appearances this season (Cristiano has since overtaken) and Brazilian Ronaldo had scored more goals for club and country in the same number of games. Again, you can twist the stats to fit your argument either way, Cristiano was used as a winger early in his career but maybe that's because he wasn't ready to be the spearhead when Brazilian Ronaldo was the complete package as a teenager. Brazilian Ronaldo scored some goals in a weaker league, Cristiano has always been in better teams. They did play in different eras though despite the arguments against it I was agreeing with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 And I was expanding on the point. Don't take everything so bloody personally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 2003-04 - This is the first season since 2003-04 that no European competition final will contain a club from England. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 30, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 30, 2014 New Ronaldo and Messi are in a different class from old Ronaldo - they're up there with Maradona. Old Ronaldo was overrated in my opinion; a Nike phenomenon - both Shevchenko and George Weah were better. Has Mourhino now lost 5 of these semi finals - that's a record surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well now a mod has prolonged the debate, that has given me the green light to in this topic too. Basically C Ronaldo has absolutely everything to his game. The original Ronaldo was no where near as good with the dead ball or in the air and was sometimes lazy. C Ronaldo's goalscoring and assists stats over the last 4 years are insane. When the original Ronaldo was at his peak back in the late 90s, his number's were not even close to what C Ronaldo is doing. Mourinho has lost 6 semis. The last 4 in a row, and 2 with Chelski in 2005 and 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2046417-8-insane-cristiano-ronaldo-stats-no-one-talks-about/page/9 10 incredible stats about C Ronaldo. I was genuinely flabbergasted by some of them. He's even better then I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 2003-04 - This is the first season since 2003-04 that no European competition final will contain a club from England. Premier League is really overrated though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Goal at 0.52 - for power + speed, and staying on feet, what about Gareth Bale's vs Barcelona/Iceland? Bale + quick feet and superb close control = Ronaldo I. Ronaldo I was certainly one of the all time great players but he didn't score a lot of great headers. At least there are none in that video. Ronaldo II is great in the air, got quick feet, speed, is powerful, has superb close control, one-on-one and long range shooting and set pieces. He can't defend but neither did the first version. Ronaldo I was not as comprehensive an attacking player as Ronaldo II. That is why II is more prolific than I. he definitely scored some equally spectacular goals though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2046417-8-insane-cristiano-ronaldo-stats-no-one-talks-about/page/9 10 incredible stats about C Ronaldo. I was genuinely flabbergasted by some of them. He's even better then I thought. Gotta love bleacher. Someone got paid to copy and paste all that info 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I say this every time, but the old Ronaldo played in an era where defenders could happily kick the shit out of him and get away with it. It was injuries to players like old Ronaldo, Marco Van Basten and even Michael Owen which led to the art of tackling being removed from the game somewhat and as a result we are now seeing lots of players (relatively speaking) scoring at a rate of almost a goal a game. and 2 of them played in Italy when bad tackles were "tactical fouls" have always been encouraged though all 3 of them players started at a high level quite early so that might have a thing to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) They may of been ED. But that doesn't change the fact those stats are correct. Edited May 1, 2014 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Top 20 tackling forwards in the Premier League Yoan Gouffran - 56 (30/4) Marouane Chamakh - 49 (25/5) Jay Rodriguez - 47 (30/3) Sir Tackle-Goals Marko Arnautovic - 45 (26/3) Morgan Amalfitano - 38 (25/2) Johan Elmander - 38 (15/13) André Schürrle - 37 (15/14) Fraizer Campbell - 32 (31/5) David Silva - 31 (24 / 1) Olivier Giroud - 30 (35) Wayne Rooney - 29 (27/2) Ashkan Dejagah - 26 (13/8) Gabriel Agbonlahor - 26 (28/1) Andreas Weimann - 26 (29/6) Fabio Borini - 25 (23/7) Steven Naismith - 25 (12/18) Craig Bellamy - 23 (12/9) Emmanuel Adebayor - 22 (19/1) Stéphane Sessegnon - 22 (21/3) Kevin Mirallas - 22 (28/4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) No team that has spent > 150% of the PL season's median wage spending has ever been relegated from the Premier League. http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21601873-good-managers-matter-not-much-money-does-everything-play Edited May 8, 2014 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Actually an interesting, educational con chart! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 2003-04 - This is the first season since 2003-04 that no European competition final will contain a club from England. Chelsea played the Super Cup final 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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