MagicMushroom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't know, bringing the man's family into it and wishing that he rots in Hell seems slightly OTT. Agree about bringing his family into it, but Randy...........can fall down a mine shaft as far as im concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 He has pumped money in time and time again. I don't blame him for tightening the strings. The problems inherited by Lambert are well documented and to go over it again would be tiresome. This is the new reality and we must get on with it. Being a good leader/owner/chairman isn't about pumping in money, It is, first and foremost, about making decisions. Lerner has made a series of cataclysmically awful decisions and for that we'll likely pay with our premier league status. What a sorry state of affairs. Goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 This sounds ridiculous but when I see the Aston Villa crest on an official publication (like on an official tweet or something) I kind of feel a pang of hatred towards them. It's like they're North Korea or something. I feel like people on VT or other Villa fans are my brothers and it's almost us vs 'them'. It genuinely makes me sad that I'm becoming so disillusioned by football and becoming so angry at my own club. It hasn't been this bad in my memory Maybe the first thing we get the new owner to do is change from that shitty badge he has lumbered us with!! Back to the eighties style for me!!! The whole season so far has smacked of disinterest and incompetance!! Sell up Lerner!!! NOw!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Poor Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 1, 2013 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2013 So in a window in which we really needed investment Randy managed to reduce the wage bill by around £65k, nice work Randy. Those flags didn't fool anyone, well maybe a few it would seem but not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Agree about bringing his family into it, but Randy...........can fall down a mine shaft as far as im concerned.who knows maybe he has done already and that's the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I still find it amazing that people have absolutely no problem with how he has and currently is running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I still find it amazing that people have absolutely no problem with how he has and currently is running the club. I wonder what you're reading to come to the conclusion that people have no problem with how he's handling things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I know for a fact that Lerner was trying to sell the club in the summer of Mcleish. He then had a change of heart, and was hopeful of securing some investment deal. At the moment villa is a problem to him, he has sunk in a fair amount of cash which he won't get back, IMO he is currently pondering at what point to cut his losess.Again IMO the fact they he once decided to sell, then changed his mind indicates hes not here for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I wonder what you're reading to come to the conclusion that people have no problem with how he's handling things. You have to scream hysterical discontent otherwise you love him, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.I.C.O. Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You know I had a funny feeling back in 2006 this wasnt quite going to work out. It just felt too good to be true, we had the right manager, the right set up and we'd just got rid of the doddery old fool. However something just did not feel quite right. If his plan was banking on building supercasinos around Villa Park it does figure. After all, the man was the son of a credit card magnate who looked like he didnt have to earn his way in life. Look at some of his investments for christ's sake. I have felt that since the credit crunch he's been asset stripping and we are being put up for sale. If we manage to stay up this year I have a feeling he'll be gone in the summer. If we go down, then god have mercy on our souls, as we will plummet through the leagues like a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) So in a window in which we really needed investment Randy managed to reduce the wage bill by around £65k, nice work Randy. Those flags didn't fool anyone, well maybe a few it would seem but not many It’s actually unbelievable how short term the thinking at the club has now become. In the summer Dunne and Petrov will both be out of contract. That is also I’d imagine another 100k+ off the wage bill. That leaves Given, Ireland, Gabby, Bent and NZogbia on what you’d consider Premier League wages of anywhere between 40k and 65k a week. I can’t believe that one of the top 8 clubs in this country, what was in the top 20 delloitte list for income in 2010 could not invest anymore than 1.5 mill in fees and I’d imagine no more than 15k a week in wages in the January window. Lerner should be hanging his head in shame this morning. We desperately needed a decent level of investment during this window to plug the glaring gaps in our team and to show some real intent to stay up. The right signings would have given the whole club – manager, current players and fans a huge lift. Instead the opposite has been achieved. The very least Lerner should have ensured for this great club is maintaining our Premier League status and it is looking like he will have failed at that. He doesn’t show his face at the club very often and I hope that the next time and the last time he does will be to put up the sold sign. Edited February 1, 2013 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I wonder what you're reading to come to the conclusion that people have no problem with how he's handling things. There are clearly people who talk about the money he's pumped in. There are people that still feel what he provided lambert with in the summer was enough. There are people who seem to have no problem being relegated. You're telling me there are none of these people? You have to scream hysterical discontent otherwise you love him, apparently. Haha Wrong again. But that's not unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 We are going to win the premiership in 2 years by default. All other teams will be docked points after points because their spending is more than they bring in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Agree about bringing his family into it, but Randy...........can fall down a mine shaft as far as im concerned. I just don't give a crap about him. He's shown complete disregard for the Aston Villa family. I haven't wished him dead. But I want him and his family to never step foot in VP again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 1, 2013 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2013 As I've said previously you don't have to be smart to inherit money. I think it is fairly clear that Lerner could never have made his own fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have a massive problem with how much he's spent. It's how the club has been managed in all areas. Hiring and firing of managers, PR, player recruitment, lack of clear strategy, lying to the fans and lack of football knowledge. We gambled with MON and it didn't pay off. What we needed after that was a manager with a long term strategy and scouting network to slowly begin to lower the wage and bring a different type of player in. Houllier couldve been that person but it didn't work out for a number of reasons. Again we were faced with the same problem - no football people to help drive the club forward. I think PF has done a remarkable job increasing our revenue when we have been so rubbish. However he needs a football guy working alongside him. So Houllier leaves. You think we will try again for a manager with a similar strategy and continue in the same vein. What do we do - hire McLeish. I don't need to say any more than that. However one thing that always stuck out at me at the time was how we courted Martinez for the whole summer. Someone who had the complete opposite philosophy to football. It was clear to me at this time that we were ruined. RL either wasn't interested or didn't have a clue. Or both. As was inevitable McLeish failed. Lambert got the job and I was made up. Exactly what we needed when MON left. He was faced with a squad that was lacking in belief and to some degree, talent. I'm sorry but £23m was never enough, especially as he had to reduce the wage bill at the same time. Lambert has made mistakes don't get me wrong but the blame has to be with Lerner. If you are a businessman/CEO/Owner and you take over a business, you always need a plan and strategy. Seems to me ours was to give MON plenty of money and hope for the best. When that didn't work, we again had a chance to implement a strategy and plan ahead but again it was not thought through enough. Looking at this season - We know the players have been poor and we know that Lambert has made mistakes. However, as many have said on here, his mistakes are amplified given our situation. We come to January and the consensus was that it was one of the most important months in our recent history. We had winnable games that could take us away from relegation and we had a chance to get to a final. Not a final against one of the top 4 teams but most probably against Swansea, a team we should have a very good chance of beating. We had to, had to strengthen well. I do not believe for a second that if Lambert had been given the money he would not have spent it. The money was clearly not there. Do no forget that all the noises coming out of the club before the window opened was that we will strengthen. Then a week or so in to the window that plan suddenly changes. It is truely baffling why we have done this. We had Warnock and Dunne out of contract in the summer. We had Bent and Given as saleable assets. Hutton was most probably going out on loan. It wasn't a gamble to spend the money. It would've been smart to spend the money. We could be in a final now and we could 5 or 6 points better off looking upwards. Instead we have signed 2 players who may add something to our team in the long term but it is not enough. It is criminal and negligence by the owner to send us down this path. The path to relegation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There are clearly people who talk about the money he's pumped in. There are people that still feel what he provided lambert with in the summer was enough. There are people who seem to have no problem being relegated. You're telling me there are none of these people? Recognising that there's been investment is simply acknowledging undisputed fact. The comments I've seen about the funding available this summer have been questioning whether more could have been done with it, or discussing it in the context of the overall spend there has been on transfers and wages, remarking that in Lerner's position, other people might also be asking how to move to a funding arrangement which seems more sustainable. And a small number of people take a philosophical view of relegation, saying that although it would hit the club very hard, it wouldn't make them feel it was a personal tragedy on the scale of some of our more melodramatic posters. None of these things remotely equate to having no problem with how Lerner is handling things. You seem to be working on the basis that if someone doesn't present angry condemnation, they must be offering uncritical adulation. I don't think that's a very good way of seeing things, and I'm certain that it distorts and misrepresents a lot of what people are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have a massive problem with how much he's spent. It's how the club has been managed in all areas. Hiring and firing of managers, PR, player recruitment, lack of clear strategy, lying to the fans and lack of football knowledge. We gambled with MON and it didn't pay off. What we needed after that was a manager with a long term strategy and scouting network to slowly begin to lower the wage and bring a different type of player in. Houllier couldve been that person but it didn't work out for a number of reasons. Again we were faced with the same problem - no football people to help drive the club forward. I think PF has done a remarkable job increasing our revenue when we have been so rubbish. However he needs a football guy working alongside him. So Houllier leaves. You think we will try again for a manager with a similar strategy and continue in the same vein. What do we do - hire McLeish. I don't need to say any more than that. However one thing that always stuck out at me at the time was how we courted Martinez for the whole summer. Someone who had the complete opposite philosophy to football. It was clear to me at this time that we were ruined. RL either wasn't interested or didn't have a clue. Or both. As was inevitable McLeish failed. Lambert got the job and I was made up. Exactly what we needed when MON left. He was faced with a squad that was lacking in belief and to some degree, talent. I'm sorry but £23m was never enough, especially as he had to reduce the wage bill at the same time. Lambert has made mistakes don't get me wrong but the blame has to be with Lerner. If you are a businessman/CEO/Owner and you take over a business, you always need a plan and strategy. Seems to me ours was to give MON plenty of money and hope for the best. When that didn't work, we again had a chance to implement a strategy and plan ahead but again it was not thought through enough. Looking at this season - We know the players have been poor and we know that Lambert has made mistakes. However, as many have said on here, his mistakes are amplified given our situation. We come to January and the consensus was that it was one of the most important months in our recent history. We had winnable games that could take us away from relegation and we had a chance to get to a final. Not a final against one of the top 4 teams but most probably against Swansea, a team we should have a very good chance of beating. We had to, had to strengthen well. I do not believe for a second that if Lambert had been given the money he would not have spent it. The money was clearly not there. Do no forget that all the noises coming out of the club before the window opened was that we will strengthen. Then a week or so in to the window that plan suddenly changes. It is truely baffling why we have done this. We had Warnock and Dunne out of contract in the summer. We had Bent and Given as saleable assets. Hutton was most probably going out on loan. It wasn't a gamble to spend the money. It would've been smart to spend the money. We could be in a final now and we could 5 or 6 points better off looking upwards. Instead we have signed 2 players who may add something to our team in the long term but it is not enough. It is criminal and negligence by the owner to send us down this path. The path to relegation. Good post. Mismanagement is the reason he has had to spend money. And then he cuts funding completely when we are desperate for some quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 We are going to win the premiership in 2 years by default. All other teams will be docked points after points because their spending is more than they bring in The fair play rules only apply to euro competition - and even then are thought to voilate 'ability to trade laws'. If your waiting for action against QPR for overspending, your going to be waiting a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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