Mantis Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 And strangely enough with the new bottom five budget, we are finishing near there too. So you criticise Lerner for letting things get out of control yet when he tries to sort it out you still have a go at him. He can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 And strangely enough with the new bottom five budget, we are finishing near there too. So you criticise Lerner for letting things get out of control yet when he tries to sort it out you still have a go at him. He can't win. You made the point that over-slending leads to debt. I'm pointing out that under spending can also lead to near relegation. Lerner has gone from one extreme to another, it is Jekyll and Hyde management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But one usually goes in hand with the other. If you massively overspend, you're going to need to massively underspend too at some point aren't you? That way, you can average the spending out.. It's not rocket science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 18, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2013 But one usually goes in hand with the other. If you massively overspend, you're going to need to massively underspend too at some point aren't you? That way, you can average the spending out.. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) But one usually goes in hand with the other. If you massively overspend, you're going to need to massively underspend too at some point aren't you? That way, you can average the spending out.. It's not rocket science.But that isn't the point. The point is that Lerner should have realised his limits at the start, kept control in the middle and set manageable budgets. He didn't even set a wage budget we could stick to and that was a similar budget per position. He had no control from start to finish, you are making out that he cane in to spend large and then spend less. He came in, over spent and then ripped that all apart. There is ZERO benefit! Edited November 18, 2013 by dodgyknees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 However, I dont think he is as poor as is made out on here Certainly not Harry taking his accountants for a walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But one usually goes in hand with the other. If you massively overspend, you're going to need to massively underspend too at some point aren't you? That way, you can average the spending out.. It's not rocket science. But that isn't the point. The point is that Lerner should have realised his limits at the start, kept control in the middle and set manageable budgets. He didn't even set a wage budget we could stick to and that was a similar budget per position. He had no control from start to finish, you are making out that he cane in to spend large and then spend less. He came in, over spent and then ripped that all apart. There is ZERO benefit! He didn't. So what should he have done instead when he finally realised his mistake? Just keep spending like before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted November 18, 2013 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2013 It's the same old same old. People blame him (RL) for making a mistake at the start. Then blame him for correcting it. The only way he could have succeeded is to have never made a mistake. They'll say that's not what they're saying at all but their subsequent protestations will point out that it's precisely what they're saying. And so the circle meets its own arse and we go again. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But one usually goes in hand with the other. If you massively overspend, you're going to need to massively underspend too at some point aren't you? That way, you can average the spending out.. It's not rocket science.But that isn't the point. The point is that Lerner should have realised his limits at the start, kept control in the middle and set manageable budgets. He didn't even set a wage budget we could stick to and that was a similar budget per position. He had no control from start to finish, you are making out that he cane in to spend large and then spend less. He came in, over spent and then ripped that all apart. There is ZERO benefit! He didn't. So what should he have done instead when he finally realised his mistake? Just keep spending like before? I didn't say that. He has no choice because of his own terrible mistakes (money, managers, budgets) and deserves criticism and should sell as soon as possible. Unfortunately he has great PR and doesn't recieve the criticisms you and others have been making of the QPR chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 18, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2013 FWIW I really like Fernandes and I think he has suffered the same fate as RL i.e. being naïvely trusting and generous at the start. Only TF has done it to a greater degree and put his faith in 2 worse managers and now has far worse consequences. We arrested our slide in time and recovered it. Yes we sailed close to the wind but we got away with it. I choose to believe out of judgement rather than out of luck. QPR didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 FWIW I really like Fernandes and I think he has suffered the same fate as RL i.e. being naïvely trusting and generous at the start. Only TF has done it to a greater degree and put his faith in 2 worse managers and now has far worse consequences. We arrested our slide in time and recovered it. Yes we sailed close to the wind but we got away with it. I choose to believe out of judgement rather than out of luck. QPR didn't. We were indeed lucky. One good thing Lerner did was listen to the fans over Lambert. Now he needs to back him - and I mean give him a little more room. Lambert with decent backing will win us cups. Lerner deserves praise for getting him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I didn't say that. He has no choice because of his own terrible mistakes (money, managers, budgets) and deserves criticism and should sell as soon as possible. Unfortunately he has great PR and doesn't recieve the criticisms you and others have been making of the QPR chairman. He made some really bad mistakes but he's been trying to rectify it while also bringing in a good manager. It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I didn't say that. He has no choice because of his own terrible mistakes (money, managers, budgets) and deserves criticism and should sell as soon as possible. Unfortunately he has great PR and doesn't recieve the criticisms you and others have been making of the QPR chairman. He made some really bad mistakes but he's been trying to rectify it while also bringing in a good manager. It's time to move on. I'll move on when we have evidence he is backing the manager to get the targets he wants. No sooner and no later. If we sell Benteke and he gives the money for the benefit of the team, I will applaud him. I will "move on" when it is justified, not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I can't believe Julio Cesar is still there tbh, I see he was linked to Man. City in January, that would make sense. He's supposed to be actually "injured" but I don't believe that for a second. I imagine his contract stated he could leave if they got relegated so he's freezing himself out now they've gone down. Was Brazil's number one during the confed cup, has he played in any of their recent games? They beat Honduras 5-0 today and he was a sub. So he's either refusing to play or there's a clause in his contract that states he can skip championship games? Just can't believe feasibily the Brazil number one at the world cup can't get in the QPR team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I can't believe Julio Cesar is still there tbh, I see he was linked to Man. City in January, that would make sense. He's supposed to be actually "injured" but I don't believe that for a second. I imagine his contract stated he could leave if they got relegated so he's freezing himself out now they've gone down. Was Brazil's number one during the confed cup, has he played in any of their recent games? They beat Honduras 5-0 today and he was a sub. So he's either refusing to play or there's a clause in his contract that states he can skip championship games? Just can't believe feasibily the Brazil number one at the world cup can't get in the QPR team! It might be a case of QPR wanting him off the wage bill and him wanting to leave but not take a pay cut. See who blinks first with the WC a few months away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Perhaps he has a smaller wage with big appearance bonuses or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Perhaps he has a smaller wage with big appearance bonuses or something? P'haps, although I think that type of contract is for knackers like Owen Hargreaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2013 Even the Harry haters can see he did a good job at Spurs. Absolutely. It's his biggest achievement, what he did at Spurs. But we're talking about a manager who's had a 30 year career, and is hailed by the media and a baffling amount of fans for being a very good manager. Yet the best period of his career was "a good job at Spurs". He's hardly Bill Shankly is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Announced a 65.7million loss for the 12/13 season, with a wagebill of £107million apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 £107m on wages... ...and they still got relegated. OMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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