villa_shere Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yea I guessed it isnt really trolling but just used it as a buzzword, it is just abuse. As somebody said earlier, trolling can actually be an art if done intelligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 25, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yeah. The way I see it, Trolling is like poking someone over and over until they (or someone else) lashes out and punches you. Where as this stuff is just walking up to someone and punching them in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 What people are calling 'trolling' these days is just needless abuse. Proper trolling is an art. Pretty much what I was coming on here to write. I've never trolled anyone on any kind of internet platform, but I do find the odd spot of trolling quite amusing. BUT... it has to be well considered and witty, not just abusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Gaia trolling was the best trolling iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't think what they did was right, but why would a PL referee have a twitter account? Is he a massochist or what? Doesn't he get enough abuse when he's working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa_shere Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 Troll Caught out Meeting the troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Meeting the trollJesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 25, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2012 Cool story and nicked for FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Who is Leo Traynor? 'Just' a twitter user? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The only solution I can think of is removing the aspect of anonymity but I'm not sure how that could be implemented without serious investment in a centralised system wherein all your data is collected and every online action recorded. It's fair to say that there has always been arseholes and they always look for a platform but I do think the internet breeds a specific culture of unaccountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 25, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well that is precisely the solution CED and it's exactly what governments will want to see happen and it's quite obviously where it is all heading. Criminalising mere name-calling is the next step. The removal of anonymity can be done under the guise of protecting you from trolls and of course you can roll out the old 'protecting your kids from online paedos'. I mean who's gonna say no to that eh? The public of course will lap that up as they've done in the past. 80% of whom are of course f**king idiots. In reality it reduces civil liberties, it brings 100% of us under closer scrutiny and all in the name of stopping 1% of people from calling each other names. If it wasn't so transaparent and pathetic it might be funny. If the human race wasn't so utterly stupid I'd have some hope that it wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 You can remove anonymity from casual net users, but the kind of people who abuse anonymity find it trivial to keep hidden. I can't see any realistic way to remove the ability to be anonymous online, if it's so desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Removing anonymity simply isn't desirable. I do question people that so willfully display their lives and opinions online (facebook, twitter etc). I think it's stupid and can be very harmful if you're not extremely careful. It's impossible to not leave some sort of 'footprint' but the best action is to at least minimise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I'm not sure if anonymity is so desirable in a world were online/real world is more and more interconnected. People have a right to privacy and anonymity does give people a chance to... have a platform to express themselves which they would otherwise lack in real life for various reasons, be they social anxieties etc. I'm just trying to find a good middle ground that caters for those needs but also provides safety from c*nts. Tricky buisness. Glad I'm not in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 To me it isn't much different to standing in a crowd of football fans and chanting something offensive (Sol Campbell style). The people who do it do it because they have no fear of consequence. I dunno, social media isn't for famous people really. They are only exposed to the views and opinions of people who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to express them. As much as they don't deserve the abuse, if they expect a social media environment without it, they're being incredibly naive. If I walked down my street, and everyone called me a word removed, I wouldn't call the police. I'd move house. Where more than likely I'd still be considered a massive word removed. Also just to add to what other's have said, I always understood an internet 'troll' to be someone like GlastonSpur. Inoffensive, but a pain in the arse. 'Troll' has been misused by the media and the term has stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteEndRob Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 "Trolling" has been going on for YEARS! I'm 28 and I used to wind people up on various websites when I was 15-18. It was known as "griefing" back in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't think there is a sweeter pleasure than seeing a 'troll' get called out in real life for what he has typed online. I read earlier on in the thread that this used to be the stuff of 'shouting over garden fences' - I highly doubt a large majority of the highly offensive bile that has been illustrated on Twitter in recent times was ever said in that context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 A simple post of "didn't read it" after someone posts a really serious or heartfelt message on a forum is the ultimate troll. Rage in 3 words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Is that 3 or 4 words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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