Stevo985 Posted March 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2015 He's had a few decent performances, on the whole he's done little to impact our defence being better. In his first season our defensive performances with him in the team were markedly better than without him. Statistically and otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 He was also a rock in his second season. What's up with the short-term memories? He's still our best defender when fit. I can understand wanting him to leave because of his injuries etc, but not for footballing reasons using revisionism no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2015 Agreed. Fit and he's our best centreback. I think he's even proved that this season (bar the Stoke disaster). Start of the season he was very good alongside Senderos. But he's not worth keeping because he is injured way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Maybe it's not a case of short-term memories but just differing opinions. I personally think he's nothing special at all and obviously has a bad injury record, as you've mentioned, I wouldn't be sad to see him go. Edited March 16, 2015 by penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I think he is on the way down, and Okore is on the way up. Whilst Vlaar is possibly still our strongest defender, it won't be long at all (at this rate) before Okore and Clark overtake him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Agreed. Fit and he's our best centreback. I think he's even proved that this season (bar the Stoke disaster). Start of the season he was very good alongside Senderos. But he's not worth keeping because he is injured way too much. He only played 3 games next to Senderos. Not long enough to form any sort of lasting view. Personally I've been amazed by just how much Clark has improved. He and Okore look the real deal right about now, and Clark's thunderous tackle in the Leicester game was the sort of thing you will never get from Vlaar because he's too worried about knackering himself. Clark and Okore all the way for me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Vlaar is excellent fully fit. Never is, so no new contract, sorry Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2015 Agreed. Fit and he's our best centreback. I think he's even proved that this season (bar the Stoke disaster). Start of the season he was very good alongside Senderos. But he's not worth keeping because he is injured way too much. He only played 3 games next to Senderos. Not long enough to form any sort of lasting view. Personally I've been amazed by just how much Clark has improved. He and Okore look the real deal right about now, and Clark's thunderous tackle in the Leicester game was the sort of thing you will never get from Vlaar because he's too worried about knackering himself. Clark and Okore all the way for me now. Well it's only 3 games with Senderos, but his good performances extend a lot further back than those 3 games. But I don't disagree with any of the rest of your post. As good as I think he's been, he shouldn't be kept on. OKore and Clark going forward is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Need him fit asap because no way Clark wont pick up his 10th yellow in the next few games and be banned for 2. So pleased Clark has stepped up in a major way this term, who knows where we'd be if this didnt happen. Never seen such a drastic and positive change in a player for so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Where is Vlaar anyway, he was supposed to be almost ready to come back a couple of games ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Where is Vlaar anyway, he was supposed to be almost ready to come back a couple of games ago. I doubt we will see much more of Ron unless there are injuries or suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather invest playing time in Okore who isn't a million miles away from Vlaar anyway. Vlaar himself has cost us goals this year, QPR away, Stoke etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather invest playing time in Okore who isn't a million miles away from Vlaar anyway. I keep flicking back and forth on this. Originally I said play Okore, forget Vlaar because he's off anyway. Then we got in deep shit, Vlaar looked good when he came back in and I thought shit, we need to play him while we can because we are shit and he is not. But now that we've shown we can actually win games again, I'm settling back on Okore. Forget Vlaar. Okore is the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I've been one of Ron's biggest supporters since he's been here, but I think he should go quietly at the end of the season, and until then he should be fifth choice behind Senderos and Baker. His heart's not in it anymore. He's been injured pretty much all season, and aside from that first month (when the transfer window was still open, tellingly), he really hasn't played all that well in the rare appearances he has made. I'm disappointed it's ended like this but I don't see any reason to persist with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I wouldn't play him ahead of Clark or Okore but if either of those two get injured he has to come back in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yep, third in the pecking order for me. I'd definitely play him before Baker and Senderos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Need him fit asap because no way Clark wont pick up his 10th yellow in the next few games and be banned for 2. So pleased Clark has stepped up in a major way this term, who knows where we'd be if this didnt happen. Never seen such a drastic and positive change in a player for so longHe's always had the tools and shown them. I never understood the hot and cold attitude that Lambert and our fanbase had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Need him fit asap because no way Clark wont pick up his 10th yellow in the next few games and be banned for 2. So pleased Clark has stepped up in a major way this term, who knows where we'd be if this didnt happen. Never seen such a drastic and positive change in a player for so longHe's always had the tools and shown them. I never understood the hot and cold attitude that Lambert and our fanbase had. The attitude was based on the fact he was shit. Nobody ever doubted his talent, but he gave away constant needless free kicks and penalties for either wrestling or hacking players down (too keen to impress?) was a panicker on the ball and also spent most of his time in no mans land rather than marking a man. But even though I was one of his harshest critics I'm glad to be proven wrong, as he's became quite the complete defender and seems to consistently put in a captains performance. Maybe he just needed to mature a little as a player and relax himself. Edited March 18, 2015 by 7392craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Need him fit asap because no way Clark wont pick up his 10th yellow in the next few games and be banned for 2. So pleased Clark has stepped up in a major way this term, who knows where we'd be if this didnt happen. Never seen such a drastic and positive change in a player for so long He's always had the tools and shown them. I never understood the hot and cold attitude that Lambert and our fanbase had. The attitude was based on the fact he was shit. Nobody ever doubted his talent, but he gave away constant needless free kicks and penalties for either wrestling or hacking players down (too keen to impress?) was a panicker on the ball and also spent most of his time in no mans land rather than marking a man. But even though I was one of his harshest critics I'm glad to be proven wrong, as he's became quite the complete defender and seems to consistently put in a captains performance. Maybe he just needed to mature a little as a player and relax himself. He's got everything to be a great defender, apart from a bit more pace and an inch or 2 in height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) 6'2 isn't tall enough for a CB? Edited March 19, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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