GaztonVilla Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 - Shay Given 11/12 I thought this might help us remember what he did for us Yeah, he's shite. Get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 3, 2012 Moderator Share Posted August 3, 2012 Based solely on ability as the OP says, I think Friedel shades it and I mean shades it. They're both brilliant goalkeepers and I think the fact the thread is even here means it's a close discussion, otherwise it would be a, ahem, given. There isn't a 'Schmeichel v Enckelman' thread for example. As for their time with us. They've both been good for us. Friedel benefits from being here during better times and with better players ahead of him. Given has had to dig us out of a rut far more than Brad ever did. Where Given lacks Brad's command of the box I think he edges him on agility, but again it's fine fine margins and all very subjective. But they've both been very good for us. We've been quite lucky with goalkeepers for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 - Shay Given 11/12 I thought this might help us remember what he did for us God, the defending in that video was painful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Friedal is a much better keeper. Yes its fair to say as a shot stopper Given is one of the best around but for al round presence Friedal is way ahead. A keepers should command their area and Given just doesn't do that enough. Which is why many are hoping Guzan starts for us next season even though I personally would like to see us sign a new keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 One Les Sealey! He's probably just rolling it out to the full-back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 We signed Friedel for £2.5 million, he was a good all round keeper but not very good coming off his line at corners. Given for £3 million better at shot stopping than Friedel but also worse than Friedel at coming off his line. They're the same in ability I think, Friedel less likely to make a mistake, Given more likely to pull off an amazing save. Good analysis, 100% agree. And I also agree with those who wrote that they both could do better if they were protected by a stronger defence. It'd be very difficult for every keeper, even for Zamora or Jascin, to play behind two average CB like Dunne and Collins. This season Given could improve, assuming that concrete Ron and Clarke will be the pair of CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I used to love how calm Friedel was when an attacker was trying to close him down from a pass back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO Shay Given has announced his retirement from international football. #ROI #AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Given is the better keeper and he also kept us in the league last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Shay Given has announced his retirement from international football Good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Sad day for Irish football probably best ever goalkeeper. Will be good for Villa but feel a bit sad he wasnt able to go out on a respectable enough show in summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born-Not-Made Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 There's not much to choose between them. I'd choose Given. They have their strengths and weaknesses, as already identified earlier in the thread, but one thing that is a requirement of a goalie in the modern game is the ability to actually play football. Brad Friedel is an excellent shot stopper, his positioning is usally pretty good and he makes relatively few mistakes. But I'm better with the ball at my feet than he is. His distribution was (and still is) awful, he inspires no confidence in his back four to use him as an outlet under pressure, and surrenders possesion on a regular basis when asked to 'go long'. Given is marginally better. But still not great. And that is the reason why these two excellent premier league goalkeepers have never been signed by a 'top four' club. Thy're fine with their hands, but not good enough with their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Before we signed Given, I thought he was a better keeper than Friedel. Not saying Given's been bad, but based on how they have both performed at Aston Villa alone, I'd say Friedel's looked the better keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villamad08 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Given every day of the week for me, I feel he's streets ahead of brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Before we signed Given, I thought he was a better keeper than Friedel. Not saying Given's been bad, but based on how they have both performed at Aston Villa alone, I'd say Friedel's looked the better keeper. Couldnt agree with this statement any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Friedel every single time, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parisvilla Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Friedel every single time, no question. Yup, surprises me this debate even exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Friedel, Given's a liability for Corners/free kicks/high balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I think a lot of you have forgotten Friedel who also had a inability to come off his line for corners. The thing i'll grant Friedel he made less mistakes than Given. But Given earn't us many points last season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojames Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I think Given deserves a chance with a better defence in front of him whether he will get that this season is a different matter. He should see less of the ball in his half this season than last at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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