Redditch_Villa Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Silver medal for team GB in team eventing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 OLYMPIC CAPTION COMPETITION: "And your honour I conclude that the evidence proves that she wuz askin for it!" Rob's lounge must look like an explosion in a tip ex factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 31, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2012 Silver medal for team GB in team eventing That's not a very funny caption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The performances to date from the Team GBR athletes has been woeful with a few exceptions maybe such as the Gymnasts. Considering the massive investments from things like Lottery funding and other sponsors you would have expected better. The crowds and infrastructure have been there to support them but basically they have failed to deliver anything like the performances they should have done so. Some are saying that we should be proud but the acceptance of failure and mediocrity from some is somewhat strange. There seems to be little in the way of motivation from any of them, is that down to arrogance, nerves, both? Previous Olympics results and the mentioned funding should have ensured better performances. Such as shame considering the potential they could have had on the many many millions watching from the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The performances to date from the Team GBR athletes has been woeful with a few exceptions maybe such as the Gymnasts. Considering the massive investments from things like Lottery funding and other sponsors you would have expected better. The crowds and infrastructure have been there to support them but basically they have failed to deliver anything like the performances they should have done so. Some are saying that we should be proud but the acceptance of failure and mediocrity from some is somewhat strange. There seems to be little in the way of motivation from any of them, is that down to arrogance, nerves, both? Previous Olympics results and the mentioned funding should have ensured better performances. Such as shame considering the potential they could have had on the many many millions watching from the UK We are not even halfway through day 4, it is too early to make these assessments. I still believe team GB will get 14 Gold medals. An abnormally impressive games in Beijing where the team 19 Golds has raised expectations. Lets wait for the velodrome and the athletics. Apart from Cavendish in the cycling and maybe Daley, things have gone to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 We are not even halfway through day 4, it is too early to make these assessments. I still believe team GB will get 14 Gold medals. An abnormally impressive games in Beijing where the team 19 Golds has raised expectations. Lets wait for the velodrome and the athletics. Apart from Cavendish in the cycling and maybe Daley, things have gone to plan. Disagree. It's not just about Gold medals, though some would be nice. Look at the swimming, the performances there have been very poor, with many not even getting close to PB's. That is one sport that has had significant investment. The Cycling performance was down as much to arrogance IMO as anything else. Events that we are not strong in you can accept not being in the hunt for medals but examples such as the archery and the canoe which was just on showed a set of GB athletes who looked totally unprepared. Yes it is only day 4 but success in previous Olympics has typically come from strong starts and good performances. What we have seen to date is nowhere near what they should be doing in a lot of events. After this Olympics there seriously needs to be some looking at how athletes prepare because they do not seem to be anywhere near what some others are achieving and that is worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Come the end how many Gold for team GB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Team GB have more medals at this games than they had in Beijing after 3 Days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Yeah but less golds, which are the ones that count. I expected a bit more but there is still a lot of time. We have a strong boxing team this time which could yield a few medals and perhaps a few gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The Cycling performance was down as much to arrogance IMO as anything else. Disagree. 4 men can't case down a breakaway of 20 men no matter how good they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The Cycling performance was down as much to arrogance IMO as anything else. Disagree. 4 men can't case down a breakaway of 20 men no matter how good they are. I think the arrogance came from thinking they could and not bothering to go with the breakaway when they first broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 31, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2012 18 April 2012 Team GB will win 27 gold medals at the Olympic Games, by far its largest haul in a century, according to a study released to the BBC. That tally would be likely to earn Great Britain third place in the London 2012 medal table, above Russia. The Sheffield Hallam University study bases the projection on the team's past performance and adjusts for Britain's home advantage at London 2012. The 27-gold figure is substantially higher than many other forecasts. Sports statistics provider Infostrada, for example, expects Team GB to win 16 gold medals and place fifth in the medal table, based on a welter of information related to athletes' performances in recent events. Luciano Barra, former Italian Olympic Committee member, projected just 12 gold medals for the British several months ago, though his tally - based on world championship titles in Olympic sports - has now also risen to 16 on the back of British success at the World Track Cycling in Melbourne earlier this month. Team GB placed fourth at the Beijing 2008 Olympics, winning 19 gold medals. That figure was itself an increase of 10 on the team's performance in Athens four years earlier and has only been beaten once, at the 1908 Olympics, where hosts Britain won 56 Olympic titles. While Infostrada and Barra use recent results to create their assessments, Sheffield Hallam's Professor Simon Shibli and Chris Gratton relied solely on broader figures for gold medals won at previous Olympics to formulate a trend. That figure was then adjusted upwards to account for the increase in medals won by recent host nations. This method proved the most accurate for Beijing 2008, forecasting 46 gold medals for China compared to the actual total of 51 the hosts went on to record. "Our model takes a 'whole system' approach rather than sport-by-sport," Shibli told BBC Sport. "There are different techniques that are in use by various forecasters and part of the 'competition' is to see who can produce the most accurate forecasts. "Our forecast is based on two premises. First, that the UK takes a state-sponsored approach to elite sport development and is committed to the principles of continuous improvement and seeking a return on investment. "Second, host-nation status provides a quantifiable benefit that occurs over and above what would happen on a 'business as usual' basis." The Sheffield Hallam system does not specifically account for changes within sports since Beijing, such as new track cycling rules for London 2012 limiting nations to one entry per event instead of two. Rival medal table forecaster Barra told BBC Radio 5 live: "In Beijing, our projection for Great Britain [18 golds, compared to an actual figure of 19] was very correct. I think Britain will win close to 60 medals in London but it will not be easy to target the 19 golds won in Beijing." But Shibli believes forecasts based on recent results do not take into account the effect of home advantage and, therefore, underestimates Britain's potential this summer. "There is this separate benefit of being the host nation. We are able to contest more sports, more disciplines, more events and more medals than we would previously," he said. "Now that doesn't guarantee medal-winning success - the host nation also ends up with the most last places. But Britain's pre-qualified athletes have not had to play their hand yet in the way others have, and they have an element of surprise." Recent Australian reports have projected 17 gold medals for Australia and a finish above Britain, with Matt Favier - who left UK Sport to join the Australian Institute of Sport late last year - saying: "It's not inconceivable the Brits could fall from fourth to eighth and Australia finishes fourth. "Somewhere in there is Germany, Japan and France isn't far away. I'm looking at the nations in that zone of fourth to eighth and it just comes down to the margins on the day." However, the head of Russia's Olympic committee said on Tuesday Britain posed a threat to third place, which Russia secured in both Athens and Sydney, despite Team GB's stated aim being fourth. "When the British talk about fourth place, they are being modest," said Alexander Zhukov. I saw the guy behind this report on local TV up here, and laughed myself silly. He can factor in all the stats he wants, but he has failed to take in the the most important parameter: this is BRITAIN, we are talking about. A country that never fails to disappoint when expectations are high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 We are not even halfway through day 4, it is too early to make these assessments. I still believe team GB will get 14 Gold medals. An abnormally impressive games in Beijing where the team 19 Golds has raised expectations. Lets wait for the velodrome and the athletics. Apart from Cavendish in the cycling and maybe Daley, things have gone to plan. Disagree. It's not just about Gold medals, though some would be nice. Look at the swimming, the performances there have been very poor, with many not even getting close to PB's. That is one sport that has had significant investment. The Cycling performance was down as much to arrogance IMO as anything else. Events that we are not strong in you can accept not being in the hunt for medals but examples such as the archery and the canoe which was just on showed a set of GB athletes who looked totally unprepared. Yes it is only day 4 but success in previous Olympics has typically come from strong starts and good performances. What we have seen to date is nowhere near what they should be doing in a lot of events. After this Olympics there seriously needs to be some looking at how athletes prepare because they do not seem to be anywhere near what some others are achieving and that is worrying According to wiki we have 8 Olympic size pools in the UK, 3 of the 8 only opened in 2012 and one of those is the London Aquatic centre. There was a stat on the BBC last night that there were more Olympic sized pools in Paris than in the whole of the UK. It will take time for the funding to show results. Funding average athletes achieves nothing. Yes we have had athletes with medal chances but most of them have been slender. The only one which has failed badly was Cavendish and that was as many have said down to the fact the GB cyclists believed their hype and completely **** up. If we dont fair well in the cycling and rowing then no doubt some questions will need answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 The Cycling performance was down as much to arrogance IMO as anything else. Disagree. 4 men can't case down a breakaway of 20 men no matter how good they are. I think the arrogance came from thinking they could and not bothering to go with the breakaway when they first broke. Still impossible for four men to control. While the group is a large peloton in a one day classic, which the olympic road race is the equivalent of, there will be attacks every few minutes as most riders don't have what it takes to win a bunch sprint. There's no way four riders could use the short bursts of energy required to chase down countless attacks for miles and miles. The disappointment was that the breakaway formed a large group all prepared to work together, while the British team had no allies in the peloton. It's just one of those things in road cycling and nothing to do with 'arrogance'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 It's only day 4, there is no point getting in a panic yet. The horse riders have already picked up a silver this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 According to wiki we have 8 Olympic size pools in the UK, 3 of the 8 only opened in 2012 and one of those is the London Aquatic centre. There was a stat on the BBC last night that there were more Olympic sized pools in Paris than in the whole of the UK. It will take time for the funding to show results. Funding average athletes achieves nothing. Yes we have had athletes with medal chances but most of them have been slender. The only one which has failed badly was Cavendish and that was as many have said down to the fact the GB cyclists believed their hype and completely **** up. If we dont fair well in the cycling and rowing then no doubt some questions will need answering. How come then in previous Olympics there has been better performances? Again it's not about Gold or even Silver or Bronze medals as a sole measurement its the performances that some of the athletes have put in. Many of the swimmers in the GB team have failed to reach PB's while others from different countries have, so its not down to the pool or its layout (special lane ropes apparently). The whole thing about this Olympics is about legacy. The infrastructure legacy is very localised around London but performance induced legacy would have been country wide. To date we have seen little from the team GB athletes to inspire anyone. The Gymnasts are probably the exception to that and lets hope the others can achieve a bit more because at the moment it has a serious danger of falling flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Yeah brum pulled out of building an Olympic sized pool just off broad street because they thought the public wouldn't like £40m of their money spent on it Still managed to get their shiny new offices in though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted July 31, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2012 Tonia Couch "rising to the occasion". She's not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 As said its not about Golds but here are where they were first won at previous Olympics Team GB's first golds at last 10 Olympics 2008: Nicole Cooke, cycling, day two 2004: Chris Hoy, cycling, day seven 2000: Jason Queally, cycling, day one 1996: Steve Redgrave & Matthew Pinsent, rowing, day eight 1992: Chris Boardman, cycling, day four 1988: Adrian Moorhouse, swimming, day two 1984: Malcolm Cooper, shooting, day four 1980: Duncan Goodhew, swimming, day three 1976: Jim Fox, Danny Nightingale & Adrian Parker, modern pentathlon, day five 1972: Richard Meade, equestrian, day five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2012 It's not really about comparing blindly against previous olympics though. It's about comparing against expectations of the athletes competing in the current olympics. You have a medal number you arrive at before the games based on the athletes you think will win; whenever that may be during the course of the olympics. If they don't win, there isn't always someone else who will step up and compensate. That medal is gone. The estimate shifts downwards. If you haven't won what you thought you'd have won at this point based on the athletes who are competing, then you're not automatically going to unearth medals later on by lesser athletes you had no expectations on. Some might step up, but in reality you've a fair idea who is medal-capable and who isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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