Mantis Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I still think we'll stay up, but it's now looking very likely that we won't surpass 40 points. That's shocking and will send you down some seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Most seasons in fact Mantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 2005/2006 under O'Leary - our worst Premier League season to date: Position 16th, Pld 38, Won 10, Drawn 12, Lost 16, For 42, Against 55, Goal Difference -13, Points 42. Currently under Mcleish with 4 games left: Position 15th, Won 7, Drawn 15, Lost 12, For 35, Against 48, Goal Difference -13, Points 36 Based on performance, with a better squad of players at his disposal this season, I reckon McLeish could, quite conceivably: Finish as low as O'Leary did (or at best 1 place higher), win less games, score less goals, have a worse goal difference and achieve less points. Now on any other planet than the planet Lerner, this sort of performance would equate to instant dismissal on the grounds of failing to carry out the basic functions of the job and gross incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCAM Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry, I have to disagree with the comments about today being a poor performance. It was by no means vintage, and we definitely gave the ball away, but we played better today than we have for a while. Mignolet made 2 important saves early on, without which we'd have won 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Why do people keep talking about next season?We can deal with that when it happens. The same with McLeish. He can be gotten shot off in the summer. All anyone should be thinking of is not getting relegated. I am going to be a quivering mess come Tuesday. My worst nightmare is going into the last game away to Norwich needing something to be safe. I dont care how we get there but I want to be mathematically safe after game 37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry, I have to disagree with the comments about today being a poor performance. It was by no means vintage, and we definitely gave the ball away, but we played better today than we have for a while. Mignolet made 2 important saves early on, without which we'd have won 2-0 They tried but without ever making me feel that we should have won. In fact, had it not been for a dodgy offside goal decision in our favour and a couple of saves/blocks from Given, Ireland and our defenders then Sunderland could quite easily have won too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Im worried - but kind of not worried. Today changed my perspective on things:- 1.I can't see where our next goal - let on win is coming from - I really don't see us beating Bolton 2.Im not worried - because I want to see us win a few games and score a few goals - and if that means championship football - so be it. I am not saying we can re group in the championship - and rebuild - and maybe its for the best - no its none of those things. But what hopefully what it would be is going down VP , seeing maybe one, two, or even 3 goals now and again . We maybe in the prem - but the entertainment is anything but premier - it would cost me £600 to renew my tickets .......to see 4 home wins.....jog on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry, I have to disagree with the comments about today being a poor performance. It was by no means vintage, and we definitely gave the ball away, but we played better today than we have for a while. Mignolet made 2 important saves early on, without which we'd have won 2-0 If your going on about chances not taken then you can look at bendtners disallowed goal, plus he should have had two others. second half was dire, not one shot on goal, same old bollocks. we were lucky not to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Im worried - but kind of not worried. Today changed my perspective on things:- 1.I can't see where our next goal - let on win is coming from - I really don't see us beating Bolton 2.Im not worried - because I want to see us win a few games and score a few goals - and if that means championship football - so be it. I am not saying we can re group in the championship - and rebuild - and maybe its for the best - no its none of those things. But what hopefully what it would be is going down VP , seeing maybe one, two, or even 3 goals now and again . We maybe in the prem - but the entertainment is anything but premier - it would cost me £600 to renew my tickets .......to see 4 home wins.....jog on You get an extra 4 home games in the Fizzy Pop league and, like you said, you may also get to see us score some goals and win some games. The proviso has to be though that McLeish is gone. Not a good place to be though and I would rather stay in the PL but not if it means another season or two of scrapping at the bottom and hardly seeing any wins at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 All this season is proving is what a monumental **** up it was to appoint McLeish and further proved how out of touch both Lerner and Faulkner are with football in general and the Premiership in particular. Interestingly a business associate of mine had a meeting with a very senior person at the club this week. I can't be too specific about what for obvious reasons. For the record he is a big football fan, a Celtic supporter in fact. He made two comments: firstly they are under the cosh over costs generally and secondly there is a lot of nervousness as to how this season will pan out. Obvious really but the latter observation suggest to me that maybe just maybe they realise the stupidity of the managerial appointment. You can but hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 All this season is proving is what a monumental **** up it was to appoint McLeish and further proved how out of touch both Lerner and Faulkner are with football in general and the Premiership in particular. Interestingly a business associate of mine had a meeting with a very senior person at the club this week. I can't be too specific about what for obvious reasons. For the record he is a big football fan, a Celtic supporter in fact. He made two comments: firstly they are under the cosh over costs generally and secondly there is a lot of nervousness as to how this season will pan out. Obvious really but the latter observation suggest to me that maybe just maybe they realise the stupidity of the managerial appointment. You can but hope. Basically our club is fooked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry, I have to disagree with the comments about today being a poor performance. It was by no means vintage, and we definitely gave the ball away, but we played better today than we have for a while. Mignolet made 2 important saves early on, without which we'd have won 2-0 No disrespect but were you there? They had a valid goal ruled offside, Ireland cleared one off the line, Bendtner missed a headed sitter and McLean missed a sitter of a shot from about 6 yards! We fought as well as we could but **** did they have some clear chances! We were lucky to get a point today, same at Liverpool and same at Wigan. Add the last minute winner against Fulham and you could very easily write 5 points off our current total from the last half dozen games alone. Pretty **** sad if you ask me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 That has really hurt us today QPR scraping a win by their fingernails YET AGAIN. They really are getting the rub at the moment. You would have to say they will beat Stoke at home now & possibly may get something at either Chelsea or Man City due to the timing of those games..City may be deflated & Chelsea may have their eye on the Champs League final & or FA cup final.... So for me we now need 3 more points. so long as we do not lose to Bolton.. If we do we may need another 4 points from the WBA, Spurs & Norwich games as Bolton would be on our tails then too. Wigan have games against Newcastle, Blackburn & Wolves so you have to see 7 or 9 points for them on their current form. Blackburn have Spurs (a) Wigan (h) & Chelsea (a) so hopefully they will not get 6 points from those to overtake us. QPR have Chelsea (a) Stoke (h) & Man City (a) & i can see 4 points there for them & with the luck they are enjoying it could be even more. Bolton have Villa (a) Sunderland (a) Spurs (h) West Brom (h) & Stoke (a).. We simply cannot lose that game & really after QPR's win we have to win it now. as i can see points for Bolton from almost all of their remaining fixtures though mainly mostly draws. So if we lose to Bolton i think we are deep in it. Draw & squeaky bum time will probably be with us right to the last game. If we draw with Bolton that would leave Blackburn needing 2 wins & a draw, QPR needing a point from either Chelsea or Man City, Wigan would be 3 behind effectively 4 with GD although with Wolves(h) to play that will surely be 3 of those. Bolton would be 6 behind effetively 7 with GD with 4 to play In short i think if we beat Draw with Bolton & draw 1 more after that we should be ok. Beat Bolton & we surely would be pretty much safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 based on todays showing - I don't see us beating bolton. Its either a draw or an away win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 we'll draw with bolton, draw with west brom, lose to spurs and beat norwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 just looking at that Bolton line up -, Wheater, Petrov, Davies, Coker - while we will be fielding a team with at 4 players who have yet to complete a full season. Loose this - and we really have to hope for a surprise win in our other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Looking at others fixtures and our goal difference, I think a draw against Bolton will see us safe. If we lose, I think we will go down. I personally wouldnt mind losing though, it will really crank up the pressure on that ginger spastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I've been saying for a while as long as we don't lose to Bolton we are safe. I am really not looking forward to that game, we seem to get worse each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 just looking at that Bolton line up -, Wheater, Petrov, Davies, Coker - while we will be fielding a team with at 4 players who have yet to complete a full season. not sure what your post is trying to imply. wouldnt even take any of them players at Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Oh look, QPR beat spurs Where are all the posters who said this wouldn't happrn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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