Dodgyknees Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 think its a bit of bitterness about getting a new deal and i think was right not to renew his contract. He was an average player signed for big money. No sorry, think you are wrong with this. A number of people have been treated badly and not all on the playing staff. There is a disease at Villa and it started from the top and is now spreading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2012 No sorry, think you are wrong with this. A number of people have been treated badly and not all on the playing staff. There is a disease at Villa and it started from the top and is now spreading down. Cuéllar was largely overlooked by 4 consecutive managers, one of whom bought him. If you honestly believe that's a symptom of some disease at Villa rather than because of his lack of quality in the opinion of those 4 managers then I suppose that's your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If that is a case, he would be glad to leave and not bitter enough to do this over not getting said new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2012 If that is a case, he would be glad to leave and not bitter enough to do this over not getting said new deal. I don't see how he can argue about getting a new deal when; as I said; 4 managers overlooked him. Whether we think it's right or not, that's what happened. If he'd been a better defender then he might've got a new deal or been played more consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If that is a case, he would be glad to leave and not bitter enough to do this over not getting said new deal. I don't see how he can argue about getting a new deal when; as I said; 4 managers overlooked him. Whether we think it's right or not, that's what happened. If he'd been a better defender then he might've got a new deal or been played more consistently. oooo but he is a lovely fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Its not about getting a new deal, its how he was treated in his last year. I think CC is a decent guy, well certainly comes across as one. He would not take a pot shot I believe without just cause. In his eyes anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Oh my god, if he was that bothered about his contract and he felt aggrieved that no one had spoken to him then he should have knocked on Faulkners door which is all of a 20 yard walk from the players entrance at Bodymoor and just asked the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Cuéllar was largely overlooked by 4 consecutive managers, one of whom bought him. Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Agree CC, should have knocked on the door and questioned why are you signing Bosmans but not looking to renew me? The fact is Cuellar knows he'll get a good whack if he leaves as a Bosman. Like someone else stated if it's so bad ask Petrov or Laursen about the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2012 Cuéllar was largely overlooked by 4 consecutive managers, one of whom bought him. Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub.Yeah fair point, my memory of O'Neill's time is dimming. Make it 3 managers overlooked him and the one that bought him didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adbo9 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 **** me carlos, weve paid you over £1.5m a year for four years for being shoddy and not being able to force your way into the team....... and you moan when someone doesnt wipe your arse for you as well........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 He didn't once moan when at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I wonder how many other players feel like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Plenty I should think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Don't understand some people here. He didn't ever moan when he was on the bench/when not getting games, he always came across as professional during his time at the club and now the club have let him go without discussing it with him; if anything the board should be questioned as to what on earth do they do when it comes to contracts? Also whenever Faulkner has discussions with agents it usually ends up with that player leaving (probably has nothing do with this but it is a worry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Cuéllar was largely overlooked by 4 consecutive managers, one of whom bought him. Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub.Yeah fair point, my memory of O'Neill's time is dimming. Make it 3 managers overlooked him and the one that bought him didn't. Problem under O'Neill was that most of those games were played at right-back. MON never seemed to feel Carlos was good enough to be first choice centre half yet was reluctant to leave him out of the team, even when our specialist right-backs were available (Luke Young and later Habib Beye) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Cuéllar was largely overlooked by 4 consecutive managers, one of whom bought him. Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub.Yeah fair point, my memory of O'Neill's time is dimming. Make it 3 managers overlooked him and the one that bought him didn't. And the three who did have been absolutly shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub. and id say about 5 of them games were in his natural position. The guy who bought him had no confidence to put him in centre of defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Sorry Brian but that is simply wrong. In 2009/10 he started 36 league games and started a further 12 cup games. He wasn't far off being an ever present. In his other season under O'Neill in 2008/09 he started 33 games and a further 4 as a sub. and id say about 5 of them games were in his natural position. The guy who bought him had no confidence to put him in centre of defence That may be so. Facts are though that Carlos was a big part of the 4th best defence in the Premier League in 2009/10. A season that was also our most successful 38 game Prem season points wise and a season in which we had two excellent cup runs. For me the defence that season was a big part of our relative success and Carlos started 48 games that season. It seems a **** lifetime ago now though unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidp Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Don't understand some people here. He didn't ever moan when he was on the bench/when not getting games, he always came across as professional during his time at the club and now the club have let him go without discussing it with him; if anything the board should be questioned as to what on earth do they do when it comes to contracts? Also whenever Faulkner has discussions with agents it usually ends up with that player leaving (probably has nothing do with this but it is a worry). Agree with this. Don't see what was wrong in his statement and he has simply expressed an opinion after being let go with seemingly little/no communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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