darrenm Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I simply do not understand the disgust with which the term "sell to buy" is treated around here. I hate the old cliche about sports being a business (it's not - too many people are too emotionally invested for it to be considered just a business), but really: in what world do people think an average football owner can pump hundreds of millions of pounds into the club without even considering balancing the books? In England, we're talking about Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour are probably the only two. Liverpool and Man U similarly have great spending power, but that also has a lot to do with their huge brand that leads to huge revenues. We are still in the midst of a global recession; have we learned nothing from it? Portsmouth almost went out of existence; Crystal Palace, ditto. It is not a horrifying thing that we have owners who are doing their best to make us a relatively self-sustaining club that can run healthily for years and years to come, and it's frankly ridiculous to expect the owners to buy and buy and buy without any consideration of balancing the books. Fantastic. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Given > Foster. The only thing Foster has over Given is his age. Other than that Given is an all-round better keeper imo. I will say this, Given will save us morepoints/win us more games than Foster would have done. *in my humble opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackneyVillain Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I simply do not understand the disgust with which the term "sell to buy" is treated around here. I hate the old cliche about sports being a business (it's not - too many people are too emotionally invested for it to be considered just a business), but really: in what world do people think an average football owner can pump hundreds of millions of pounds into the club without even considering balancing the books? In England, we're talking about Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour are probably the only two. Liverpool and Man U similarly have great spending power, but that also has a lot to do with their huge brand that leads to huge revenues. We are still in the midst of a global recession; have we learned nothing from it? Portsmouth almost went out of existence; Crystal Palace, ditto. It is not a horrifying thing that we have owners who are doing their best to make us a relatively self-sustaining club that can run healthily for years and years to come, and it's frankly ridiculous to expect the owners to buy and buy and buy without any consideration of balancing the books. Fantastic. Well said. +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops_AVFC Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sure I just heard SSN say they're going to hear from Big Eck shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadoftrinity Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I would have much prefered Foster and thenhave him here for a number of years with a resale value at the end should we not have progressed. I think he would have been a realistic and more ambitious signing but there you go. I couldn't disagree more, for me Given is a far more ambitious signing that Foster, who like most English players is vastly overrated and will probably have about as much sell on value as Given in 3 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 SSN just said McLeish is going to be on in a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Some Arsenal fans remarks on Given going to Villa. Quite funny. TheRudaxJames Ruddock Villa seem to be making moves that Arsenal should be making. Given and N'Zogbia both affordable and quality players #Arsenal Gravity_GunnerGravity Gunner Let me get this straight, Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Man City for Shay Given? No bid from #Arsenal? Madness. iceman1207O G So arsenal lose out again to a quality signing to VILLA. Shay given done deal WTF arsene! #crazyprofessor robbsheridan_robbsheridan Cannot believe Arsenal haven't bid for Given!! Cracking signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 There is/was no better keeper than Shay Given who would come to us. Bar some massive unknown gamble. And its usually better to not gamble on keepers. I cant think of a single reason why any fan could be disappointed with Given as our number 1 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I cant think of a single reason why any fan could be disappointed with Given as our number 1 next season. Nor me mate, i think some people just like to moan for the hell of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I would have much prefered Foster and thenhave him here for a number of years with a resale value at the end should we not have progressed. I think he would have been a realistic and more ambitious signing but there you go. I couldn't disagree more, for me Given is a far more ambitious signing that Foster, who like most English players is vastly overrated and will probably have about as much sell on value as Given in 3 years time. Totally agree. We are signing given for about 4 mill, which in this day and age in football is about a fiver. Sell on value means nothing. 35 yrs is his prime he is a top top keeper and it's a great move. Richard on the other hand I've come to realise would find a negative in a barrell load of positives. And would probably moan if Arsenal signed him and we hadn't put in a bid. Great keeper, great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Don't think he's brilliant but certainly good enough and hopefully get 2/3 good years out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns-knitwear Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 12 months sat on the bench to imo one of the best young keepers in the world does not a bad keeper make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns_grin Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I cant think of a single reason why any fan could be disappointed with Given as our number 1 next season. Nor me mate, i think some people just like to moan for the hell of it. Not really. I'm concerned that when his shoulder goes again we're left with Guzan. Now Given cannot collect crosses but Guzan takes it to a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 12 months sat on the bench to imo one of the best young keepers in the world does not a bad keeper make. Slur that again? Have you started drinking already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I cant think of a single reason why any fan could be disappointed with Given as our number 1 next season. Nor me mate, i think some people just like to moan for the hell of it. Not really. I'm concerned that when his shoulder goes again we're left with Guzan. Now Given cannot collect crosses but Guzan takes it to a whole new level. I think we may have touched on this before, im sure the medical team will be pushing that shoulder to limit during his medical. They will know all about his previous injuries. If they are not 100% sure that his shoulder is fine, they will not give him the ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 As a side note, how many people do we now have who are named after something belonging to Jean II Makoun? We have his grin, his jumper, his knitwear... anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns-knitwear Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 12 months sat on the bench to imo one of the best young keepers in the world does not a bad keeper make. Slur that again? Have you started drinking already? Ye olde English Wiggy and no thats not what im drinking :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 12 months sat on the bench to imo one of the best young keepers in the world does not a bad keeper make. Ok Yoda. Anyway, I think he is a good signing. Lets hope the sholder injury was a freak one off and not a reoccuring thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 12 months sat on the bench to imo one of the best young keepers in the world does not a bad keeper make. Slur that again? Have you started drinking already? Ye olde English Wiggy and no thats not what im drinking :winkold: Furry muff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 As a side note, how many people do we now have who are named after something belonging to Jean II Makoun? We have his grin, his jumper, his knitwear... anything else? His talent would be nice. I hope he improves alot this season. Anyway, I'm rather happy with Given. I just hope he doesn't get injured early on and we're stuck with Guzan. I've never seen such a nervous goalkeeper. He scares me alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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