Everton

[VillaChris]

31 minutes ago, villa89 said:

Because it's rumoured boehly is being backed by the Saudi government however it's more likely they are invested in his hedge fund without any real interest in how he manages it. 

Yeah it's similar to Xia being the stooge for the Chinese government but ultimately he was deciding how best to blow our parachute payments in the most incompetent fashion without any idea what to do if we didn't go up.

Chelsea's reckoning will come soon enough if they don't start learning to win football matches again. In 2003 if they'd lost to Liverpool on final day they might have become the new Leeds for all we know so fitting 20 years on they might finally be running out of a credible business model to actually stay relevant as a top tier team.

[punkiller1981]

Reading the Everton forum it’s starting to seem like between ffp investigations and  dodgy ownership going’s on both current and future that they are in more if a mess than any of us realise with administration a genuine possibility. Millions a month required for the stadium that they don’t have, borrowing money each month from potential new owners just to pay wages and millions still outstanding in future player payments. Looks like a worse situation than we ever found ourselves in if that’s possible 

[TheMelvillan]

On 19/09/2023 at 08:20, OutByEaster? said:

Five weeks away from the judgement on their massive FFP breaches - it's a test for the rule makers, if Everton's punishment isn't pretty severe you can pretty much put Premier League FFP in the bin - it'll set a precedent that other clubs will be able to lean on to do almost anything they want to.

i wouldn't rule out a points deduction as well as some more obvious restrictions on what they're able to do in transfer windows.

 

Cant deduct point off them if they dont have any points . Very clever Everton, very clever indeed

[HanoiVillan]

5 hours ago, punkiller1981 said:

Reading the Everton forum it’s starting to seem like between ffp investigations and  dodgy ownership going’s on both current and future that they are in more if a mess than any of us realise with administration a genuine possibility. Millions a month required for the stadium that they don’t have, borrowing money each month from potential new owners just to pay wages and millions still outstanding in future player payments. Looks like a worse situation than we ever found ourselves in if that’s possible 

I think because Everton are a genuinely big name in English football and a PL ever-present, people are resistant to seeing how dire their situation is. They've lost approx. £430m over the last 5 years (PL rules are that they can lose up to £105m over any rolling 3-year period, though there's some leeway for covid) and are building a stadium at a time when input cost inflation in construction is causing project over-runs in every major project, and the country's main stadium-builder has gone bust (not connected to Everton, but it does give some read-across to how stretched their stadium project finances likely are). 

[oishiiniku_uk]

28 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

 (PL rules are that they can lose up to £105m over any rolling 3-year period, though there's some leeway for covid)

Yeah and they claimed losses due to covid that were twice as much as any other Premier league team. You can only hide shortfalls that big for so long. 

[OutByEaster?]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

I think because Everton are a genuinely big name in English football and a PL ever-present, people are resistant to seeing how dire their situation is. They've lost approx. £430m over the last 5 years (PL rules are that they can lose up to £105m over any rolling 3-year period, though there's some leeway for covid) and are building a stadium at a time when input cost inflation in construction is causing project over-runs in every major project, and the country's main stadium-builder has gone bust (not connected to Everton, but it does give some read-across to how stretched their stadium project finances likely are). 

And a stadium that was instigated and initially funded by a Russian owner that's no longer allowed to contribute. 

It really is a grand old club, I must admit that having been so close to the edge ourselves, it saddens me to see Everton in this state.

 

[Villatillidie95]

Luton at home for them next, you would expect them to pick up the 3 points after beating decent premier league opposition in Brentford and Villa....Bournemouth after that which will be a tougher test than Luton however could be on 10 points a week saturday with a bit of luck. Decent chance for them to sort the -5 GD out too

Edited September 28, 2023 by Villatillidie95

[Artetasgirl]

On 19/09/2023 at 09:44, gwi1890 said:

Evertonians hate him apparently. 

Says who? No Everton fan I know hates him....

[DJBOB]

3 hours ago, Villatillidie95 said:

Luton at home for them next, you would expect them to pick up the 3 points after beating decent premier league opposition in Brentford and Villa....Bournemouth after that which will be a tougher test than Luton however could be on 10 points a week saturday with a bit of luck. Decent chance for them to sort the -5 GD out too

They’ve been underperforming their stats for a while and they have a good athletic middle of the park. 
 
Think Dyche would do well to turn them into a Palace sort of side. Stingy, strong defensively and enough smash and grabs to loiter mid table. 

[Rugeley Villa]

I can see him turning them around . It’s not going to be pretty for the next few years , but they’ll definitely survive this season. I thought they were really good the other night in terms of their work ethic and dogged mentality. 

[Mic09]

48 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I can see him turning them around . It’s not going to be pretty for the next few years , but they’ll definitely survive this season. I thought they were really good the other night in terms of their work ethic and dogged mentality. 

I thought we gifted them 2 goals and other than that, they haven't really threatened a very very poor performing Villa.

But t's a long season, they will probably get a few wins here and there. 

[ender4]

3 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 5 games.

[gwi1890]

20 hours ago, Artetasgirl said:

Says who? No Everton fan I know hates him....

Oh I know a few they are in abundance where I live

[oishiiniku_uk]

3 hours ago, ender4 said:

3 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 5 games.

1 game was a narrow win against Doncaster that they could easily have lost. We gifted them both of their goals. They drew against a limited Sheff Utd side. The Brentford performance was decent I guess. I think they will stay up (if they avoid a points deduction in their FFP hearing) but only by virtue of there being 3 worse teams in the league. After the next couple of games they have a pretty tough run which might see their (new?) owners getting twitchy if results go against them. 

 

[HanoiVillan]

Tee hee

[Pinebro]

Wasted all their effort and energy on us.

Scumbags

[oishiiniku_uk]

New owners were there to see that performance too! Heheheh

Edited September 30, 2023 by oishiiniku_uk

[Tomaszk]

Haha. Absolutely garbage.

Would love them going down but the six points a season would be missed.

[Dodgyknees]

2 hours ago, Pinebro said:

Wasted all their effort and energy on us.

Scumbags

Absolutely.

[AvfcRigo82]

On 19/09/2023 at 08:20, OutByEaster? said:

Five weeks away from the judgement on their massive FFP breaches - it's a test for the rule makers, if Everton's punishment isn't pretty severe you can pretty much put Premier League FFP in the bin - it'll set a precedent that other clubs will be able to lean on to do almost anything they want to.

I think Man City have already set that with their 115 breaches of FFP.