parisvilla Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 He played dour football with Fulham. That's untrue. By the second half/final third of the season they were playing some really nice stuff. One of their best displays being the 2-0 away win at the Sty that all but confirmed their relegation. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 taking into account the fact that his body language looks wrong , we don't get the ball to him etc would people take £20m for him and use it on Hoilett and Rhodes and maybe 1 or 2 other players ? assuming Lerner actually spends the money this time instead of lining his pockets with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 taking into account the fact that his body language looks wrong , we don't get the ball to him etc would people take £20m for him and use it on Hoilett and Rhodes and maybe 1 or 2 other players ? assuming Lerner actually spends the money this time instead of lining his pockets with it We got £35m for Young and Downing, we saw about half of that for transfers. So if we sell Bent for 20m, we'd be looking at 8-10m and that would go on Gardner, Davis and probably somebody else who suits the 0-0 defending we do. We wouldn't have the ambition and McLeish wouldn't have the nous to sign anybody ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I really can't see him lasting here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hercs23 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I really do like bent but recently he just doesnt look interested. Cant remember him having a shot and thats against a very poor bristol team. He just didnt even seem like he wanted to try. Very poor. I only want him here if he wants to be here and is goin to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Trouble has always with Bent is if he isn't scoring he does **** all and you may as well play with 10 men. He was utter tripe again today. He has an air of billy big bollocks about him but he really needs to start to put a shift in even if things aren't going his way. He needs to accept that he isn't going to get the service he was last season, due to the loss of Ash and Downing, get his head down, give 100% and realise its not all about him and start putting a shift in for the team. I'm sick to death of seeing him gesturing as if to say how come you haven't laid it on a plate for me. In terms of effort he could certainly learn plenty from Gabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 i may be in the minority but i thought that tonight was actually one of his better all round games in terms of interest and effort. for some reason we seemed to be playing him as a target man, but he dropped short, held it up, brought others in to play and ran the channels when required. i saw no less effort and ability at this than gabby tonight. not sure why mcleish had the defence hoofing it too him and expecting him to win headers against much taller CBs though. he took up some good positions in the box, although i agree there were a few times when he looked less sharp than what we saw last season. our final ball all round was pretty poor tonight however, there was many a time where we had people in the box only for the cross to hit the first man or sail over everybodys head. we actually didnt create that much, i think we scored 3 of maybe 5 or 6 chances created. 2 of those were excellent individual goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 we may as well wrap him up in cotton wool and protect him for liverpool if we continue to play how we have been. if however the players take it upon themselves to ignore the GC and play football how it should be played, it will be worth unwrapping him from that cotton wool and playing him. at the moment he looks shit because we play shit anti football, when we get it on the ground and move it around it takes advantage of bents movement, hooof it up in the air nullifies all of bents qualities of off the ball movement and his finishing ( what we paid the money for). this idiot of a manager had a whole preseason, he knew young ( who was poor by his standards last season) and downing were off and had the entire summer to get in a couple wingers, they are not mystical creatures and rare as rocking horse shit . the reason we didnt get anyone like that is because it doesnt agree with the ginger clunges interpretation of how the game should be played. he manages to crush any player with flare or attacking instincts, he literally bores it out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 awful again today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03butpau Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I'm actually coming round to the idea of selling him tbh. Mcleish's game doesn't suit him and like another poster said if he doesn't score you might as well play with ten men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 stupid idea to sell him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03butpau Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 stupid idea to sell him A valid opinion would you care to say why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Why do we keep on hoofing it him like he's a target man? we don't utilise him properly and we will regret it if we sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamosMiAstonVilla Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Erm because he's our top goal scorer? Prevented us getting relegated last season and will do the same this. Lets sell him because he didn't score cos we are fickle innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 for some reason we seemed to be playing him as a target man, but he dropped short, held it up, brought others in to play and ran the channels when required. i saw no less effort and ability at this than gabby tonight. not sure why mcleish had the defence hoofing it too him and expecting him to win headers against much taller CBs though. Agree it's stupid and just frustrated him even more if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 i already have within this thread, and other threads in fact, using our best striker as a scapecoat is not the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I would keep Bent at all costs and start playing two wingers to furnish him with chances & goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I would keep Bent at all costs and start playing two wingers to furnish him with chances & goals this it also gives us some shape and support for the fullbacks who are not having the best of times anyway it is not excusing some of the poor shows ( hutton especially poor) but it cant help when they dont have a regualr player in front of them to help when the other team is attacking. but we cant do it having petrov and clark in the middle, we need more energy and skill than that. i would even be tempted to go to the gregory thoughts of 3 central defenders at the back and wing halves, albrighton and nzog should be able to bomb forwards and get back that would leave petrov heard and ireland in the middle with gabby and bent up front nzog played left back for a season or 2 before an albrighton is quick enough to run up and down the sidelines, both can also deliver a decent ball into the box from deep ( not a hoof but an outswinging deep cross) while not exactly a traditional formation, the likes of dunne cuellar and clark covering the back line while nzog and alby holding further up the pitch SHOULD offer more protection and also give us 5 across the middle when we are on the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 11 average players well organised and pumped can be very effective MON does this well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey55 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I would keep Bent at all costs and start playing two wingers to furnish him with chances & goals But why are Villa fans so keen to do this for Darren Bent and not some other cheaper option? This is why I didn't think signing him was a good move for you, as it tied up so much of your capital in such a basic player. If you create chances there are lots of stikers who can finish them. But for £18/24 million you'd want a player who has real quality and can add to the team in different ways. As much as your fans rated Bent last season, his record even then wasn't as impressive as Yakubu's has been for Blackburn this season, or Bemba Ba's at Newcastle. There are other similar players around that are much cheaper. Last season when you were delighted with Bent he scored every 155 mins for you. But there are lots of stikers who score at a quicker rate than that. Even Stephen Fletcher at Wolves scored every 134 mins. Why not create the chacnes for someone like Fletcher instead? Why would he score at a lesser rate than Bent if he was wearing a Villa shirt? There is nothing wrong with Bent per se, but the price for such a basic player was absurd and even more so given Villa had a limited budget. Bent isn't bad and he's done pretty well for you, but even the most staunch Bent fans must recognise you've got far too much tied up in a limited player, that despite his popularity, wouldn't be hard to replace for much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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