colhint Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 he is a goalscorer for me - not sure where he is going to fit into the team though any time soon as he is not going to dislodge bent in a 4-5-1 or whatever formation you want to call it, and he would be wasted in the hole imo, as he needs to spend as much time in the box as possible for me. I think with our more dynamic midfield two, we could play 2 up front, at home at least. .........................Friedel......................... Walker......Cuellar.......Collins.......Clark Albrighton....Bradley....Makoun....Young ..............Delfouneso....Bent................... this is the Sort of thing I want GH to try, If we get to the point this season where we are well clear of relegation but Europe is highly unlikely I dont mind fiishing 14th if the kids get a good run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just watched highlights of the systematic destruction that our kids put on Arsenals reserves and Delfouneso looked totaly over matched for that level. Far, far too easy for him. The only way he's going to improve is by playing for the big club. One thing I love about him is his balance is absolutley top drawer, always get's the right shape to do what he needs to do and lets his feet do the rest. Long way to go and as I said I have big question marks, but fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We should've offered Fonz to plop for 35mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoody Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Very dissappointed Fonz isnt getting much game time... early days since his Blues game i guess, but when he comes on he performs. would like to see more from him and get a run of games together, just see what happens with him he shows promise but he needs atleast a decent run out alongside another striker, maybe not at fulham as its very important, possibly vs Notts County or Everton/West Ham, just want to see what he's like with an in form squad and alongside Heskey or Bent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have always said Delfouneso needs to start a few games in a row to show what he can really do. I hope that he gets the opportunity to soon. We have teams coming up he can do well against and get some real confidence going. him bent, gabby and heskey should be rotated. however it might work out we can have two pairs that work well together. Gabby and Heskey Delfouneso and Bent. that should be the aim. Two pairs who play together and play well. rotate both pairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have always said Delfouneso needs to start a few games in a row to show what he can really do. I hope that he gets the opportunity to soon. We have teams coming up he can do well against and get some real confidence going. him bent, gabby and heskey should be rotated. however it might work out we can have two pairs that work well together. Gabby and Heskey Delfouneso and Bent. that should be the aim. Two pairs who play together and play well. rotate both pairs. Sounds good, although only having 4 in midfield limits how many of our talented and promising midfielders we can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have always said Delfouneso needs to start a few games in a row to show what he can really do. I hope that he gets the opportunity to soon. We have teams coming up he can do well against and get some real confidence going. him bent, gabby and heskey should be rotated. however it might work out we can have two pairs that work well together. Gabby and Heskey Delfouneso and Bent. that should be the aim. Two pairs who play together and play well. rotate both pairs. Sounds good, although only having 4 in midfield limits how many of our talented and promising midfielders we can play. Rotating or strikers is a something that I am sure Houillier would do if there was a fixture pile up, but with only the league and FA cup he is not going to do that very often this season. Somehow we need to get into europe! Also to me a Delfouneso, Bent combo doesn't look that great as a partnership for me as apart from Delfouneso's liking for dropping deep and running at defenses they look to do the same things and get in the same positions. I actually think Delfouneso would do better cutting in from the right looking to run at players and get in the box with Walker over lapping and Gabby playing as a lone striker with Ash cutting in from the left as a playmaker forward with an attacking LB overlapping. Then the other rotation being Bent and Heskey up front with Albrighton and Downing out wide suppling lots of crosses and solid fullbacks on either side. Crackpot made a very good point about promising midfielders, Bannan, Delph and Gardner are all deserving of first team starts. Next season I might be looking at something like this Rotation 1 -------------------GK---------------------- --Walker --Collins --Dunne --Attacking LB -----------------Petrov-------------------- --------Gardner----- Delph---------------- Delfouneso----------------------- A.Young -----------------Gabby-------------------- Rotation 2 ----------------GK-------------- L.Young--Cuellar--Clark--Baker ------Makoun----Bradley------- Albrighton--------------Downing -------Heskey---Bent----------- The blend is nice with those line ups however the problem you get is that we don't get all our best players in one team. Plus they are contingent on us signing both Walker and Bradley and in regards to the latter he still he to prove himself. Clark, Albrighton, Delfouneso, Delph, Gardner, Bannan and possibly Baker and Lichaj have very bright futures and its imperitive that they get game time, but I think we will have to look at sending two or three of them on loan. Back to Delfouneso the boys got talent but he must remember he cannot afford to take his foot off the gas, he has to always work hard in training, listen to the coaching staff, and be prepared for a battle every time his steps out on the pitch as talent wise he has it all as many have said. I have been waiting for these lads to start fulfilling their promise for over a year and a half now and Delfouneso even longer (since his goal in the uefa cup). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Delfouneso and Bent uptop together would mean pretty much zero ball retention in the final third. I think that's a dangerous game to play, and one we should really only be looking to do at home against much lesser sides. However, if we are in a position to dominate a game, whereby our players are camped in the opposition half for long periods of time, then it could work. But we would need that level of ball retention, otherwise we would constantly be on the defensive foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Next season I might be looking at something like this Rotation 1 -------------------GK---------------------- --Walker --Collins --Dunne --Attacking LB -----------------Petrov-------------------- --------Gardner----- Delph---------------- Delfouneso----------------------- A.Young -----------------Gabby-------------------- Rotation 2 ----------------GK-------------- L.Young--Cuellar--Clark--Baker ------Makoun----Bradley------- Albrighton--------------Downing -------Heskey---Bent----------- Slightly OT but rotation 1 your first team, rotation 2 back up? If so Petrov over Makoun? Gabby over Bent? Delfouneso on the wing over Albrighton? -------------------GK --Walker---Collins------CB --------Taiwo -----------------Makoun --------Bradley----- Delph Albrighton----------------------- A.Young -----------------Bent Delfouneso will be a top top player, but playing him anywhere near out wide is just stupid. He is as near a striker as the definition is. He can be a very influential player for us, and I think he will. He can learn his hold up play and professionalism (apart from the falling over like a sack of spuds) from Heskey, his movement and scoring ability from Bent and how to lift weights in the gym from Gabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'd like to see 2 upfront and put Young back on the wing, Bent doesn't have enough to his game to play on his own imo, he may get goals but we won't get top 4 playing like that as the ball doesn't stick upfront often enough. Id like to see Delfouneso & Bent against Fulham, can't see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkee Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I would like to see Bent and Fonz combo upfront against Fulham too. Fonz to play little bit deeper, Bent as a striker. Two very intelligent attackers, it might work imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Next season I might be looking at something like this Rotation 1 -------------------GK---------------------- --Walker --Collins --Dunne --Attacking LB -----------------Petrov-------------------- --------Gardner----- Delph---------------- Delfouneso----------------------- A.Young -----------------Gabby-------------------- Rotation 2 ----------------GK-------------- L.Young--Cuellar--Clark--Baker ------Makoun----Bradley------- Albrighton--------------Downing -------Heskey---Bent----------- Slightly OT but rotation 1 your first team, rotation 2 back up? If so Petrov over Makoun? Gabby over Bent? Delfouneso on the wing over Albrighton? -------------------GK --Walker---Collins------CB --------Taiwo -----------------Makoun --------Bradley----- Delph Albrighton----------------------- A.Young -----------------Bent Delfouneso will be a top top player, but playing him anywhere near out wide is just stupid. He is as near a striker as the definition is. He can be a very influential player for us, and I think he will. He can learn his hold up play and professionalism (apart from the falling over like a sack of spuds) from Heskey, his movement and scoring ability from Bent and how to lift weights in the gym from Gabby. First I did say that with the line ups i suggested we wouldn't be playing all our best players in the same team. I sugestted those line ups because you can pick your best players but that doesn't mean you will get the best team. What I was looking at with those was the blend, niether team is first choice. If you look at Man U these days only Van Der Sar, Rio, Vidic, Rooney, evra and maybe Berbertov are first choice players. Fergie tends to rotate the all of his players and in important games all those 6 play if fit plus the form players in the other positions. Also the reality is it is rare that a manger has ALL of his best players available to him. Throw in the fact that We have 5 or 6 youngsters that have the potential to be better than any of our first choice players it makes sense to give them games, but to have a decent chance of winning it is advisable to play them with some experienced players. Secondly GH is currently trying to use Gabby in a similar manner I suggested for Delfouneso however its not really working as Gabby was never a particularly good dribbler, he knocks the ball past players and then runs after it. This is fine if you have one player on you a lots of space in behind but if not your just going to give the ball away. Delfouneso for me is the best dribbler in the team, when he runs with the ball he terrifies defenders (as the ball stays close to him and he is quick with great acceleration, balance and agility) and if he developed a consistantly accurate long range shot (which he's more than capable of) He would be very effective coming inside onto his right foot and Walker as we all know is excellent attacking down the outside. Also Delfouneso doesn't need to beef up, he has great balance and a nice first touch and good skill, if you have that you don't need so much body strength to hold the ball up and he is 6'1. Thierry Henry was never bulky but Rio Ferdinand no less claimed that Henry's strength was very hard to deal with. Gabby needed to bulk up as he never really had great balance, his touch is average, and his skill is averge, but Gabby was fast as **** and is actually a good finisher. My only issue with Gabby is that his movement in the box is poor. Plus of all our strikers Gabby is best suited to play as a lone striker as he is quick but is also good at holding the ball up. So long as we keep the ball on the deck Gabby makes an Excellent lone striker, Delfouneso one day yes, but he needs more experience to play alone upfront. Once Delfouneso hits 29/30 then he should gradually increase his muscle mass as his natural agility and pace will start to decline and he will need to change the way he plays by the time he hits 31. Until then he should just let his body fill out naturally, because its dangerous doing lots of wieght training on top of his normal training while his body is still developing. Up until he hits 21/22 will his bones will still be getting denser. Playing Young as a winger limits his contribution and means that when hes out wide he won't see so much of the ball. But playing as one of 3 strikers coming in from the left and being allowed to drift inside if we had a quality attacking LB would see him more involved and harder to pick up. Finally Petrov as a sitting holding midfielder is the second best at the club, why because he works hard, rarely gives the ball away and holds it up quite well too. The problem is he lacks the speed and acceleration to get up and down the pitch so well and so is better suited to being at the back of a three man central midfield as opposed to in a 4-4-2. And with 2 attack minded midfielders in front you want your holding midfielder to hold his position most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'd like to see 2 upfront and put Young back on the wing, Bent doesn't have enough to his game to play on his own imo, he may get goals but we won't get top 4 playing like that as the ball doesn't stick upfront often enough. Id like to see Delfouneso & Bent against Fulham, can't see it though. Thats why we play with Young in the hole, because he can bring others into the game and link up the play. If you keep the ball on the deck you don't need a target man so long as there is someone to link the play. This season or problems have been the final ball and putting away chances, our possession and build up play have been good. Bent does play well with a target man and his awareness in the box is very good so thats why I think out of him Gabby, and Delfouneso he is best at playing with a target man and proper winger out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I think he's great but I dont want to see General Krulak in goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_D Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Next season I might be looking at something like this Rotation 1 -------------------GK---------------------- --Walker --Collins --Dunne --Attacking LB -----------------Petrov-------------------- --------Gardner----- Delph---------------- Delfouneso----------------------- A.Young -----------------Gabby-------------------- Rotation 2 ----------------GK-------------- L.Young--Cuellar--Clark--Baker ------Makoun----Bradley------- Albrighton--------------Downing -------Heskey---Bent----------- Slightly OT but rotation 1 your first team, rotation 2 back up? If so Petrov over Makoun? Gabby over Bent? Delfouneso on the wing over Albrighton? -------------------GK --Walker---Collins------CB --------Taiwo -----------------Makoun --------Bradley----- Delph Albrighton----------------------- A.Young -----------------Bent Delfouneso will be a top top player, but playing him anywhere near out wide is just stupid. He is as near a striker as the definition is. He can be a very influential player for us, and I think he will. He can learn his hold up play and professionalism (apart from the falling over like a sack of spuds) from Heskey, his movement and scoring ability from Bent and how to lift weights in the gym from Gabby. First I did say that with the line ups i suggested we wouldn't be playing all our best players in the same team. I sugestted those line ups because you can pick your best players but that doesn't mean you will get the best team. What I was looking at with those was the blend, niether team is first choice. If you look at Man U these days only Van Der Sar, Rio, Vidic, Rooney, evra and maybe Berbertov are first choice players. Fergie tends to rotate the all of his players and in important games all those 6 play if fit plus the form players in the other positions. Also the reality is it is rare that a manger has ALL of his best players available to him. Throw in the fact that We have 5 or 6 youngsters that have the potential to be better than any of our first choice players it makes sense to give them games, but to have a decent chance of winning it is advisable to play them with some experienced players. Secondly GH is currently trying to use Gabby in a similar manner I suggested for Delfouneso however its not really working as Gabby was never a particularly good dribbler, he knocks the ball past players and then runs after it. This is fine if you have one player on you a lots of space in behind but if not your just going to give the ball away. Delfouneso for me is the best dribbler in the team, when he runs with the ball he terrifies defenders (as the ball stays close to him and he is quick with great acceleration, balance and agility) and if he developed a consistantly accurate long range shot (which he's more than capable of) He would be very effective coming inside onto his right foot and Walker as we all know is excellent attacking down the outside. Also Delfouneso doesn't need to beef up, he has great balance and a nice first touch and good skill, if you have that you don't need so much body strength to hold the ball up and he is 6'1. Thierry Henry was never bulky but Rio Ferdinand no less claimed that Henry's strength was very hard to deal with. Gabby needed to bulk up as he never really had great balance, his touch is average, and his skill is averge, but Gabby was fast as **** and is actually a good finisher. My only issue with Gabby is that his movement in the box is poor. Plus of all our strikers Gabby is best suited to play as a lone striker as he is quick but is also good at holding the ball up. So long as we keep the ball on the deck Gabby makes an Excellent lone striker, Delfouneso one day yes, but he needs more experience to play alone upfront. Once Delfouneso hits 29/30 then he should gradually increase his muscle mass as his natural agility and pace will start to decline and he will need to change the way he plays by the time he hits 31. Until then he should just let his body fill out naturally, because its dangerous doing lots of wieght training on top of his normal training while his body is still developing. Up until he hits 21/22 will his bones will still be getting denser. Playing Young as a winger limits his contribution and means that when hes out wide he won't see so much of the ball. But playing as one of 3 strikers coming in from the left and being allowed to drift inside if we had a quality attacking LB would see him more involved and harder to pick up. Finally Petrov as a sitting holding midfielder is the second best at the club, why because he works hard, rarely gives the ball away and holds it up quite well too. The problem is he lacks the speed and acceleration to get up and down the pitch so well and so is better suited to being at the back of a three man central midfield as opposed to in a 4-4-2. And with 2 attack minded midfielders in front you want your holding midfielder to hold his position most of the time. Seems like an adaptation of the formation Arsenal play nowadays. No? The holder - Song/Petrov Box2Box - Wilshere/Delph Creator - Fabregas/Gardner Right side - Walcott/Delfouneso Striker - RVP/Bent Left side - Nasri/Young If there was a way Ash can play on the left so he can still cross the ball in but have a more involved part in the game then that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Next season I might be looking at something like this Rotation 1 -------------------GK---------------------- --Walker --Collins --Dunne --Attacking LB -----------------Petrov-------------------- --------Gardner----- Delph---------------- Delfouneso----------------------- A.Young -----------------Gabby-------------------- Rotation 2 ----------------GK-------------- L.Young--Cuellar--Clark--Baker ------Makoun----Bradley------- Albrighton--------------Downing -------Heskey---Bent----------- Slightly OT but rotation 1 your first team, rotation 2 back up? If so Petrov over Makoun? Gabby over Bent? Delfouneso on the wing over Albrighton? -------------------GK --Walker---Collins------CB --------Taiwo -----------------Makoun --------Bradley----- Delph Albrighton----------------------- A.Young -----------------Bent Delfouneso will be a top top player, but playing him anywhere near out wide is just stupid. He is as near a striker as the definition is. He can be a very influential player for us, and I think he will. He can learn his hold up play and professionalism (apart from the falling over like a sack of spuds) from Heskey, his movement and scoring ability from Bent and how to lift weights in the gym from Gabby. First I did say that with the line ups i suggested we wouldn't be playing all our best players in the same team. I sugestted those line ups because you can pick your best players but that doesn't mean you will get the best team. What I was looking at with those was the blend, niether team is first choice. If you look at Man U these days only Van Der Sar, Rio, Vidic, Rooney, evra and maybe Berbertov are first choice players. Fergie tends to rotate the all of his players and in important games all those 6 play if fit plus the form players in the other positions. Also the reality is it is rare that a manger has ALL of his best players available to him. Throw in the fact that We have 5 or 6 youngsters that have the potential to be better than any of our first choice players it makes sense to give them games, but to have a decent chance of winning it is advisable to play them with some experienced players. Secondly GH is currently trying to use Gabby in a similar manner I suggested for Delfouneso however its not really working as Gabby was never a particularly good dribbler, he knocks the ball past players and then runs after it. This is fine if you have one player on you a lots of space in behind but if not your just going to give the ball away. Delfouneso for me is the best dribbler in the team, when he runs with the ball he terrifies defenders (as the ball stays close to him and he is quick with great acceleration, balance and agility) and if he developed a consistantly accurate long range shot (which he's more than capable of) He would be very effective coming inside onto his right foot and Walker as we all know is excellent attacking down the outside. Also Delfouneso doesn't need to beef up, he has great balance and a nice first touch and good skill, if you have that you don't need so much body strength to hold the ball up and he is 6'1. Thierry Henry was never bulky but Rio Ferdinand no less claimed that Henry's strength was very hard to deal with. Gabby needed to bulk up as he never really had great balance, his touch is average, and his skill is averge, but Gabby was fast as **** and is actually a good finisher. My only issue with Gabby is that his movement in the box is poor. Plus of all our strikers Gabby is best suited to play as a lone striker as he is quick but is also good at holding the ball up. So long as we keep the ball on the deck Gabby makes an Excellent lone striker, Delfouneso one day yes, but he needs more experience to play alone upfront. Once Delfouneso hits 29/30 then he should gradually increase his muscle mass as his natural agility and pace will start to decline and he will need to change the way he plays by the time he hits 31. Until then he should just let his body fill out naturally, because its dangerous doing lots of wieght training on top of his normal training while his body is still developing. Up until he hits 21/22 will his bones will still be getting denser. Playing Young as a winger limits his contribution and means that when hes out wide he won't see so much of the ball. But playing as one of 3 strikers coming in from the left and being allowed to drift inside if we had a quality attacking LB would see him more involved and harder to pick up. Finally Petrov as a sitting holding midfielder is the second best at the club, why because he works hard, rarely gives the ball away and holds it up quite well too. The problem is he lacks the speed and acceleration to get up and down the pitch so well and so is better suited to being at the back of a three man central midfield as opposed to in a 4-4-2. And with 2 attack minded midfielders in front you want your holding midfielder to hold his position most of the time. Seems like an adaptation of the formation Arsenal play nowadays. No? The holder - Song/Petrov Box2Box - Wilshere/Delph Creator - Fabregas/Gardner Right side - Walcott/Delfouneso Striker - RVP/Bent Left side - Nasri/Young If there was a way Ash can play on the left so he can still cross the ball in but have a more involved part in the game then that is it. Yeah I will agree with that. Young is more than just a winger, the question is how to get more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Is there a reason why he is playing in the reserves games now? Played the Chelsea game and now on the OS they say he is likely to lead the reserves game again wolves today at 1pm. Same goes for Bannan if he plays today.. any reason there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well he isnt playing for the first team the last couple of games, so I guess thats why he is in the reserves, Same for Bannan. How long contract has Delfouneso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 On 6 November 2009 Delfouneso signed a new deal with Aston Villa keeping him there until 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 On 6 November 2009 Delfouneso signed a new deal with Aston Villa keeping him there until 2012. Ok, then its probably time to sign him up to a new one. They way we are starting/trying to play I think he could do Bents role very well. Bent first choice, Delf second choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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