Kwan Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Why would he ever try that with two players around him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 It looked like he tried to dribble his way out of trouble, stupidity. I would say let's hope he learns from this but I bet it'll happen again.. and again.. and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Youth players for you. When him, Baker, Herd play at CB they are all prone to this. Probably why previous managers have started Clark and Herd in midfield, so when they do make a mistake it isn't going to cost a goal every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Don't think he was trying to dibble out of trouble, he could have booted the ball into the stands. He was trying to be too clever. Not knowing exactly the limit - when to try that and when not to. Probably really annoyed with himself for having done that - again. Coaches will be having a word too, I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I wish Clark could just not make the stupid mistakes he does. I know that's a silly thing to say, but I do genuinely believe there's a great defender in there. See glimpses of it week in week out.... but he's always just prone to making a huge error which seems to always be punished. I guess it's hard for any coach to really sort it out for him other than to tell him to just do the simple thing. I disagree - I could forgive the errors - but there is nothing in the rest of his game to compensate for them. To me his general player is, at best adequate - punctuated by a couple of clangers in each game. Sub standard player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 What an idiot, twice in a month making the same mistake. Stupid fool, he needs to learn and FAST.. And he should stop trying to be so bloody clever, concentrate on the basics! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 You've got to laugh, we've gone from screaming for Collins to play it out from the back to screaming for Clark to hoof it out from the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I just want a defender who can make the correct decision. Not hoofing a large % and not thinking you are Messi for a large % but making a decision on what is in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 remember central defenders develop slower than strikers. you need more experience for that position. Michael Dawson at Tottenham is an example. He used to make all sorts of clangers after he signed as a 22 year old. He's still there and is now highly-rated by other professionals and is the team captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted March 29, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2013 There's nothing wrong with encouraging a CB to play out from the back or take on the opposition forwards but it's generally not a good idea to try the latter when there is more than 1 within 6 feet, the game is in the balance or an easier/safer option exists (like play it back to the GK). I'm not convinced this is something that requires a great deal of experience to get right. That sort of error you generally only make once..... ... but Clark has done it twice in a short period now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 On the plus side he has the confidence to do it and these are mistakes of his own making, where he is searching for where the limit is, rather than technical deficiencies in his defending. Must have played well for the rest of the game as Ireland were unlucky not to win, conceding only in the last minute to a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1Avfc Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 How can people still class him as young? he isn't 17. He's not good enough for the PL. I definitely want a new CB in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 On the plus side he has the confidence to do it and these are mistakes of his own making, where he is searching for where the limit is, rather than technical deficiencies in his defending. Must have played well for the rest of the game as Ireland were unlucky not to win, conceding only in the last minute to a long shot. Irrelevant, he blew it. Thanks to his fundamental error Ireland spent the rest of the game chasing, much like we did against City after enjoying a decent first half. I accepted that at the time though, unlike many others, because I do appreciate his raw talent. But to make the same mistake within weeks of the first points to a serious lack of mental ability. Maybe he will learn and evolve, but right now we can't take that risk. He's a liability. Baker's turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 On the plus side he has the confidence to do it and these are mistakes of his own making, where he is searching for where the limit is, rather than technical deficiencies in his defending. This is not a plus. This is a minus. He has been making these types of errors all season and has learned nothing from them. I have been willing to cut him some slack because he is on the young side and has been asked to step into a role that he is probably not psychologically ready for just yet (both as a starting CB and acting captain), but there is a limit. He is not improving, if anything he's gone backwards. I think he may still have some potential, but I think it's as a DM, not a central defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Hopefully he is out Sunday with that shoulder injury, so the stronger centre back Baker can play alongside Vlaar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I would not play him DM. Has a lot of attacking qualities for a centre back but not enough for a modern DM. Not agile enough either. Too robust in stature. Clark is a CD, and a good one. We're just expecting him to be world class right away, which he's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I would not play him DM. Has a lot of attacking qualities for a centre back but not enough for a modern DM. Not agile enough either. Too robust in stature. Clark is a CD, and a good one. We're just expecting him to be world class right away, which he's not. No one is expecting him to be World Class. We're expecting him to be Premier League level, which he's not. We expect him not to make the exact same stupid mistakes over and over again. We expect him to learn. He's not doing these things and should be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 He looked shit in midfield so that suggestion isn't worth much. His best position is clearly centre half but I don't think he'll ever be a particularly good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 hes ridgewell mark 2, but hopefully he will grow out of it, i still think he would be better suited to LB with us buying a better CB in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Interestingly I read today on Sky Sports that he has said contract talks have been put aside until the summer and that he wants to renew (I presume if we stay up or not). Personally I hope the club do the right thing and don't offer him a contract. We should be looking for better in the summer and not sticking with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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