Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 he won trophies though bicks, we need a winner like him here not one of these people like curbishly or southgate who have achieved nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I've heard a lot about GH buying foriegn players that flopped. So if they were English and flopped it would be ok would it? It seemed to be for MON. There is something slighty xenophobic in that attitude if you ask me. His flop percentage was far far far higher than MON's. players wise maybe but not with money spent. Some would call the likes of davies, NRC, sidwell, shorey, heskey,downing, Carson, harewood, bêye, routladge all flops, most expensive too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Two criticisms levelled at Houllier during his final years at L'pool were that his team was set out so negatively that it played with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and that he didn't integrate youngsters which caused friction with the academy. It looks like there is a chance that Houllier may be our next manager, if so I hope he has had a rethink about how to play football in the Premiership. I have to say that I found watching L'pool boring under GH. Leopards don't change their spots do they? Especially 63 year old leopards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshare Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Two criticisms levelled at Houllier during his final years at L'pool were that his team was set out so negatively that it played with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and that he didn't integrate youngsters which caused friction with the academy. It looks like there is a chance that Houllier may be our next manager, if so I hope he has had a rethink about how to play football in the Premiership. I have to say that I found watching L'pool boring under GH. Leopards don't change their spots do they? Especially 63 year old leopards. not saying you are wrong at all, but at some point we have got to make our choice. we cant have young and exciting as well as proven and experienced. we cant criticise mon for only ever buying average solid players from england and then complain about a manager with a reputation for taking gambles on unknowns from abroad. in fairness to houllier, the pressure on him at liverpool was a lot higher than it will be at villa. he was scared of losing becasue despite having finished second in the league and winning a bag full of cups he was still being criticised because they hadnt won the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I've heard a lot about GH buying foriegn players that flopped. So if they were English and flopped it would be ok would it? It seemed to be for MON. There is something slighty xenophobic in that attitude if you ask me. His flop percentage was far far far higher than MON's. players wise maybe but not with money spent. Some would call the likes of davies, NRC, sidwell, shorey, heskey,downing, Carson, harewood, bêye, routladge all flops, most expensive too. I suspect with inflation Houllier spent a hell more on flops; Diao, Cheroyu, Diof, Biscan, Sjouland, Song, Camara, Smicer, Diomede. These are often players so obscure one forgets totally about them. Yes he signed a few gems, but it was definitely more of a mixed bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleh Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 GH spent 80 million net in 5 years compared to MONs 90m in 4. He won an fa cup,league cup and uefa. Also finished top 4 more than once and one season 7 points off winning the league. Let's look at his positives and give him a chance hey? You can't compare money spent 10 years ago to money spent recently - you got more for your money back then, players cost more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshare Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I've heard a lot about GH buying foriegn players that flopped. So if they were English and flopped it would be ok would it? It seemed to be for MON. There is something slighty xenophobic in that attitude if you ask me. His flop percentage was far far far higher than MON's. players wise maybe but not with money spent. Some would call the likes of davies, NRC, sidwell, shorey, heskey,downing, Carson, harewood, bêye, routladge all flops, most expensive too. I suspect with inflation Houllier spent a hell more on flops; Diao, Cheroyu, Diof, Biscan, Sjouland, Song, Camara, Smicer, Diomede. These are often players so obscure one forgets totally about them. Yes he signed a few gems, but it was definitely more of a mixed bag. he probably did, but he also won a fook of a lot more with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Two criticisms levelled at Houllier during his final years at L'pool were that his team was set out so negatively that it played with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and that he didn't integrate youngsters which caused friction with the academy. It looks like there is a chance that Houllier may be our next manager, if so I hope he has had a rethink about how to play football in the Premiership. I have to say that I found watching L'pool boring under GH. Leopards don't change their spots do they? Especially 63 year old leopards. not saying you are wrong at all, but at some point we have got to make our choice. we cant have young and exciting as well as proven and experienced. we cant criticise mon for only ever buying average solid players from england and then complain about a manager with a reputation for taking gambles on unknowns from abroad. in fairness to houllier, the pressure on him at liverpool was a lot higher than it will be at villa. he was scared of losing becasue despite having finished second in the league and winning a bag full of cups he was still being criticised because they hadnt won the league. I believe that Houllier has the experience and the contacts to do some kind of a job at Villa. My concerns are purely personal as I like to watch reasonably entertaining football and I hope to see our youth brought through as and when they are ready. I know that my point of view is not necessarily a winning formula, but I would love to see what our current crop of players could achieve with a couple of seasons of really positive leadership and some quality coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshare Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Two criticisms levelled at Houllier during his final years at L'pool were that his team was set out so negatively that it played with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and that he didn't integrate youngsters which caused friction with the academy. It looks like there is a chance that Houllier may be our next manager, if so I hope he has had a rethink about how to play football in the Premiership. I have to say that I found watching L'pool boring under GH. Leopards don't change their spots do they? Especially 63 year old leopards. not saying you are wrong at all, but at some point we have got to make our choice. we cant have young and exciting as well as proven and experienced. we cant criticise mon for only ever buying average solid players from england and then complain about a manager with a reputation for taking gambles on unknowns from abroad. in fairness to houllier, the pressure on him at liverpool was a lot higher than it will be at villa. he was scared of losing becasue despite having finished second in the league and winning a bag full of cups he was still being criticised because they hadnt won the league. I believe that Houllier has the experience and the contacts to do some kind of a job at Villa. My concerns are purely personal as I like to watch reasonably entertaining football and I hope to see our youth brought through as and when they are ready. I know that my point of view is not necessarily a winning formula, but I would love to see what our current crop of players could achieve with a couple of seasons of really positive leadership and some quality coaching. i totally agree with you but unfortunately it would be a risk. our current squad under the leadership of say big ron of 20 years ago (or even kevin keegan) would great to see but it may also fail. he wouldnt get much slack in my opinion because he would be taking a squad that has consistently finished sixth and beaten every team in the league in the last three years, so anything lower than that would be considered a failure by many even if it was entertaining. when you mention houllier as being able to do a job and having good contacts etc i think that in many ways that probably points to why him being a dof may be a good idea. i also wonder if he is now maybe getting on a bit having been away from club management for a few years to be able to get back into it again. most of his work now is higher up the ladder with the french fff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyp_avfc Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 hmmm i think GH would be rather good to be honest, wouldnt mind koeman or JK but Houllier would bring a bit of swagger back to VP, rather than say "ohh he's no good" or "ohh hes no MON" jst think we are starting a fresh new start! I wish we could forget MON tbh he was here for 4 years great thank you very much, we have to move on and think bloody positivly! Jst imagine if GH came in and we actually found a young prospect from South America or somewhere else, who we payed peanuts for and he eventually won us a cup! look things arent as bad as they seem but we have to stay positive! on another not did any one read the paper about who the General has blasted us for not backing RL? ps sorry if this is messy, its my first PROPER meaningful post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTY_LEE Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 People moaning about Staunton and what he achieved as a manager - HE IS COMING AS ASSISTANT! He will not be our manager so why does that matter? I'm sure he can put cones out and kick a ball as good as the next assistant manager. As for Houllier, it's pretty obvious KMc will do the day to day stuff with the lads while he is the face of the management team, negotitating transfers, etc. So long as both parties are in agreement of how things work then I don't see a problem. All failed partnerships in the past have failed because one party wants the other to **** off. And finally - I read countless posts during the last two years stating that MON was useless and should be replaced. The replies often said we could not get anyone better than MON, which were then countered by certain people who reeled off a list of candiadtes stating Villa were in a position to pick and choose. I wonder what those people have been saying over the last few weeks when it become apparent that we are unable to attract a 'top quality' manager to the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Two criticisms levelled at Houllier during his final years at L'pool were that his team was set out so negatively that it played with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and that he didn't integrate youngsters which caused friction with the academy. It looks like there is a chance that Houllier may be our next manager, if so I hope he has had a rethink about how to play football in the Premiership. I have to say that I found watching L'pool boring under GH. Leopards don't change their spots do they? Especially 63 year old leopards. not saying you are wrong at all, but at some point we have got to make our choice. we cant have young and exciting as well as proven and experienced. we cant criticise mon for only ever buying average solid players from england and then complain about a manager with a reputation for taking gambles on unknowns from abroad. in fairness to houllier, the pressure on him at liverpool was a lot higher than it will be at villa. he was scared of losing becasue despite having finished second in the league and winning a bag full of cups he was still being criticised because they hadnt won the league. I believe that Houllier has the experience and the contacts to do some kind of a job at Villa. My concerns are purely personal as I like to watch reasonably entertaining football and I hope to see our youth brought through as and when they are ready. I know that my point of view is not necessarily a winning formula, but I would love to see what our current crop of players could achieve with a couple of seasons of really positive leadership and some quality coaching. Yes, one thing is certain, under MON we played very attractive football 8) all the time. I suggest we wait and see what will happen. Most important in the end is to win games. Everyone like to see entertaining football, but not naiv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker1234 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Which paper was this in Matty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyp_avfc Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Which paper was this in Matty? Todays Sun page 77 far right collum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 4, 2010 Moderator Share Posted September 4, 2010 GH spent 80 million net in 5 years compared to MONs 90m in 4. He won an fa cup,league cup and uefa. Also finished top 4 more than once and one season 7 points off winning the league. Let's look at his positives and give him a chance hey? Of course he finished top 4, he was managing Liverpool but that season he finished 7 points off the top, he wasn't in charge, Thompson was, Houllier was ill that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_loes Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Yes, one thing is certain, under MON we played very attractive football all the time. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 This manager saga has been worse than I could have possibly imagined. Of course, I'll support whoever/whatever Randy and friends choose to appoint, but I can't help feeling that they will have got it spectacularly wrong. It seems almost impossible that we will get an equal or superior manager to MON. We'll wait and see, obviously, but I fear that I'll be posting suicide smileys when the announcement is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyp_avfc Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Yes, one thing is certain, under MON we played very attractive football all the time. :shock: :shock: seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshare Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 GH spent 80 million net in 5 years compared to MONs 90m in 4. He won an fa cup,league cup and uefa. Also finished top 4 more than once and one season 7 points off winning the league. Let's look at his positives and give him a chance hey? Of course he finished top 4, he was managing Liverpool but that season he finished 7 points off the top, he wasn't in charge, Thompson was, Houllier was ill that season bit daft of them to eventually replace him with benitez wasnt it when thompson could have done the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Am i the only thinking this will drag on even after our next match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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