tonyh29 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I watched it on a plane so lacked the fullscreen effect but I wasn't that taken by X-Men first class either Usually IMDB isn't a bad judge , Empire are my pet hate as they appear to give 5 * ratings to films based on the director and not upsetting their relationship with him rather than on the merit of the film itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 a certain worthiness And therein lies why I think TDK is by far the better film. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 11, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2012 X-Men First Class isn't as good as the ratings would have you believe imo. It suffers massively from being 2 potential films chucked together. It has really good moments and really crap ones as well. It would have been far, far better a movie if they'd chopped the kids/crews of each side from it (i.e. the entire basis for the First Class film they wanted to make), and built up the aspects of other movie they were going to make (X-Men Origins: Magneto) more. Fassbender (until he goes all Irish at the end, Magneto'Malley, fnarr) is great, and James McAvoy is pretty good too, and they could have made a lot more of Bacon's character with no effort at all. The kids are all shite, they picked hopeless characters and got hopeless actors and you end up not really giving a shit (I actually cringe whenever the Banshee kid is on screen). Instead they fudged it together and it suffers from it. It got the critics going because it was a period superhero film imo, getting 'it's a bit different' brownie points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 11, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2012 a certain worthiness And therein lies why I think TDK is by far the better film. In my opinion. Fair enough. I don't personally agree. I don't think a film needs to be 'worthy' to be particularly great. And saying that, TDK's 'worthiness' isn't all that anyway, it's underlying message(s) aren't terribly profound or anything. Or even particularly laudable depending on the interpretation. But yes, it's a great film that has it's flaws. So is the Avengers, albeit for different reasons, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Watched Lockout last night hoping to watch a mindless action film where the good guy kills the bad guys and gets the girl etc etc. I'm a big guy Pearce fan and he was pretty average in the film but didn't have much to play with but portrayed the 'loveable rogue' hero character well enough. Maggie Grace is stunning and Vincent Reegan his usual menacing self. Good popcorn film but nothing to write home about. Although cheeky little twist at the end which caught me off guard (shan't say more as it would be a spoiler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Is Godfather, often considered one of if not the greatest movie ever, "profound" though? Does it impart any moral lessons? I don't think film is a good medium to use to spread moral messages, which was something I hated about Madagascar 3. The didactic nature of such productions are off-putting to me. What the Nolan Batman films do very well imo is give emotional depth to their characters, which make them more realistic and hence more easily identifiable with audiences. The same applies to the Godfather (I haven't watched 2 and 3, but I intend to do so soon). To be fair, Iron Man does this as well, but the central character's motivations, traumatic experiences, and emotional growth were given relatively cursory treatment - however, they did expand greatly on Stark's humourous side. I seem to be heavily attracted to such films - films that are based around intense character development, particularly the development of characters with strong emotions. Maybe it's because I'm a very emotional person myself, I'm not sure. Anyway, point being, profound messages in movies suck and I don't use it as a definition of "worthy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2012 Profundity is not a pre-requisite but it can exist in great films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 *Generally. One of the words I use most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The "Hangover" movies....not even remotely funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Is Godfather, often considered one of if not the greatest movie ever, "profound" though? Does it impart any moral lessons? It insists upon itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Don't get me started on 'X-Men: First Class'. It could have been so much more and the fact remains that they chose the wrong first class to focus on. Plus Beast looked bloody awful in the film and the fact Banshee was American still pisses me off to this day. It was decent overall, yet there were far too many mistakes for my liking. It was thrown together as there were serious time constraints. Hopefully the second will be better as there is more time being spent on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Referring back to the question about the Godfather trilogy, I personally think Godfather: Part 2 is by far my favourite (for one it has De Niro in it as well as Pacino) and Part 3 just didn't feel like a Godfather movie so it's the worst of the bunch and by some way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I'm with you there Ginko. The second one all the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 yep second one easily the best, mind you I havent watched them for quite some time, thats it on saturday I'm going to have a godfather feast before the boxing comes on cuz I'm in for a quiet weekend for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffoman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Saw Spiderman tonight. Overall a poor film. Raimi's first spiderman seemed a lot better. Even for a Superhero film there are a lot of plot holes and silly occurrences. And the Dark knight is far superior to the Avengers. That's not just my opinion that's actually a scientific fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I stopped reading after the word 'poor'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 11, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2012 Tony Stark is meant to be abrasive, his confidence and arrogance are supposed to rub people up the wrong way, as does his apparent inability to take things seriously. RDJ does a fairly good interpretation, although they (until the Avengers) never really managed to get that side of the character down as people, generally, rather liked the playboy cocky bastard attitude. Tonyh29 is also correct that, in the comics anyway, the drinking didn't help and in a way, the whole persona is a charade covering the fact that he knows he's intensely flawed and has, at times, done things wrong (he basically becomes a full blown prick in the Civil War storyline in the comics for instance). Just to clarify, again (as it was I who started this Stark conversation so I assume this is aimed at me) I get all of this. None of it is why I didn't like Stark. I didn't like him because of his incessant joking, none of which are funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Ahem... "Doth thou mother know you weareth her drapes?" Well I thought it was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 brooklyns finest about to start on BBC, worth a watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 i was really surprised by spiderman, thought the trailers were shockingly poor (as was the 1st person stuff in the film, looked horrible IMO) but i enjoyed it, some of it was a bit shakey like how they had an animal testing lab yet for some reason had never tested their super spiders on anything before, the dad storyline was a new one on me but i thought AG was far far better than TM, emma stone was better than kirsten dunst, the lizard was a great villain too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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