Popular Post rodders0223 Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 **** me, it really is the international break again. Is the Alisha Lehmann thread locked? A women can wear whatever dress she wants and post what she wants on social media (within legal reason) you absolute lunatics. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 hours ago, bickster said: Yeah advertisers and google though innit Sex sells doesn’t it? Advertisers should love it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, luckyeddie said: I thought the the dress was inappropriate, so obviously I am a henious human being, but for everyone with a differing opinion I would genuinely be interested in you answers to these questions Would you be happy to go out in public with your daughter, sister, wife or mother if they were wearing that exact outfit?(this was asked before but side stepped), and Why has nobody posted a picture of it on this site? Obviously I can only answer part 1. so… “happy” would be the wrong word, but if my wife/daughter/mother (this would be incredibly wtf, mind) felt comfortable wearing a fashionable sheer outfit at an awards ceremony then I’d be “fine” with them doing it. I definitely don’t think they should lose their job for doing so . But my problem wouldn’t be with them, it would be with the people who can’t help but stare. They’re the **** issue, not fashion. Many people on here seem to hold views that are often spouted around the rape issue. “She didn’t wear much so she was asking for it”. The issue isn’t with the person being comfortable enough with their body to show it off, it’s with those unable to control their urges. Also, I don’t understand why so many people are comparing a nipple being on show to a bloke getting his cock out. It’s not the same thing at all? Alex Scott isn’t out there with her vag on display. I also think - whilst breasts are definitely more sexualised in society - it’s entirely wrong to say blokes upper bodies aren’t. Again people keep talking about “Barry’s titz”, but (many) people absolutely find muscly arms, defined abs etc sexy. I guess the difference is that women don’t often catcall/assault/demean so it’s not seen as a problem? But, again, it’s a control issue right? Edited November 20, 2023 by bobzy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, bobzy said: but (many) people absolutely find muscly arms, defined abs etc sexy you speak for yourself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: you speak for yourself It’s all those heavy lifts you’ve been doing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 Alex Scott went to a prestigious awards ceremony, she WAS NOT presenting Football Focus, she went to an awards ceremony for a mens fashion and lifestyle magazine. She felt that that dress was suitable for the occasion. She is allowed to make that choice. She wasn't in the street, in the shops, on telly. No one needs to be clutching pearls as its a young woman, in the UK who makes her own decisions. Its absolutely ludicrous to ask, well what would you think if it was your daughter, as it isn't any of our daughters, they aren't at a prestigious awards ceremony and they aren't in the public eye, so stop making leaps to fit very flimsy arguments. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 Alex Scott has voiced forthright and moderately left wing views in the past, talking about gay rights, racism and the current government. She is a black woman in a mans game. Lets discount all of that. Every single bit of it as that will not effect people being offended by her dress at all. Not one bit. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Alex Scott has voiced forthright and moderately left wing views in the past, talking about gay rights, racism and the current government. She is a black woman in a mans game. Lets discount all of that. Every single bit of it as that will not effect people being offended by her dress at all. Not one bit. from memory , wasn't she the only one with the balls to wear an Armband in Qatar , whilst cowardly players and the FA folded despite their cheap words I'm an old cynic and when celebs turn up at events to get noticed , in my mind its only ever for self serving reasons , but she seems different and she's sparked the conversation raised her profile further , she strikes me as someone that will use that platform to promote gay rights , racism etc and not give a **** about the opinions of keyboard warriors bundling on her on the internet 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 If my mom wore that dress to an awards ceremony I would have a problem with it. But that's because she's 70 years old and only has one tit so I'm not sure she'd pull it off. If my mom looked like Alex Scott then all power to her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 Erm, OK, can't believe a pair of nipples has caused up this much of an issue for some people but there we are... The original comment was asking for her to be punished/reprimanded by the BBC for wearing the dress at an awards ceremony. Is it Andrew Tate levels of ignorance? Of course not but it still pretty poor judgment. You can have an opinion on whether she is a good pundit or not, irrespective of what she is wearing. The fact that what she is wearing has even entered the conversation shows we are far from sorting the problem. As is traditional on this site, we need to inject some form of music in non-music threads, and when I was reading through the comments, this song was playing in my head: - The lyrics are below for context Quote Is this too much? Is this not enough? If I don't cover up does that make it my fault? You have painted me so the clothes I am wearing speak louder than the things I am saying. And the only thing I can be is a prude or a whore seeking attention and nothing more. Showing flesh, showing flesh does not remove dignity Showing flesh, showing flesh, does not invalidate me. Why are we still being punished just for having a body? Why are we still being judged solely on our clothing? Showing flesh does not deserve shaming Showing flesh does not warrant blaming Why the hell must you ask what the victim was wearing? Why are our bodies seen as a bad thing? To be locked away in a misconception of purity. To be hidden like a guilty secret This is my skin This is the vessel I exist in It is not a sin My body is not a sin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 14 hours ago, foreveryoung said: If you would go to a event with your daughter in a see through dress, you probably think it's acceptable to let her walk around the house topless when you mates are round, to quote /paraphrase @The_Rev from the Top Gear thread many moons ago If my daughter looked like that ( Alex Scott) , I'd still be bathing her 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 20/11/2023 at 10:40, tonyh29 said: to quote /paraphrase @The_Rev from the Top Gear thread many moons ago If my daughter looked like that ( Alex Scott) , I'd still be bathing her I use this turn of phrase all the time and always remember that that was where it originated (for me anyway) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I use this turn of phrase all the time and always remember that that was where it originated (for me anyway) yeah likewise .. there are quite a few VT'isms that have made it into my everyday life , some better received than others , clearing in the words is always met with bewilderment 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 22:28, Zatman said: She wasnt working at this awards gala If you turned up to the pub in a pair of boxers nobody would want you sacked Monday morning If you turned up to the pub in a pair of see through boxers you would probably get arrested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I wouldn’t have know about any of this if someone hadn’t sent the photo on a WhatsApp group with a comment of ‘she’s got no ****’. Also good old VT of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 20/11/2023 at 09:31, bobzy said: Obviously I can only answer part 1. so… “happy” would be the wrong word, but if my wife/daughter/mother (this would be incredibly wtf, mind) felt comfortable wearing a fashionable sheer outfit at an awards ceremony then I’d be “fine” with them doing it. I definitely don’t think they should lose their job for doing so . But my problem wouldn’t be with them, it would be with the people who can’t help but stare. They’re the **** issue, not fashion. Many people on here seem to hold views that are often spouted around the rape issue. “She didn’t wear much so she was asking for it”. The issue isn’t with the person being comfortable enough with their body to show it off, it’s with those unable to control their urges. Also, I don’t understand why so many people are comparing a nipple being on show to a bloke getting his cock out. It’s not the same thing at all? Alex Scott isn’t out there with her vag on display. I also think - whilst breasts are definitely more sexualised in society - it’s entirely wrong to say blokes upper bodies aren’t. Again people keep talking about “Barry’s titz”, but (many) people absolutely find muscly arms, defined abs etc sexy. I guess the difference is that women don’t often catcall/assault/demean so it’s not seen as a problem? But, again, it’s a control issue right? I have not seen anyone condone rape at all on this site. Maybe you could link me to the posts where it has happened. Also, try being a barman, women do catcall / assault / demean. Once they are pissed some women disregard all boundaries. But as a bloke when you complain that some woman grabbed your knackers, everyone just laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, luckyeddie said: I have not seen anyone condone rape at all on this site. Maybe you could link me to the posts where it has happened. Also, try being a barman, women do catcall / assault / demean. Once they are pissed some women disregard all boundaries. But as a bloke when you complain that some woman grabbed your knackers, everyone just laughs. Bold bit - you need to re-read my post. I haven't said anyone on here has ever condoned rape. Second part, yes that's probably true on both counts. However, there's probably also a "novelty" factor for a bloke having a woman catcall or slap their bum or whatever - it doesn't happen that often so it's just shrugged off. Sadly, not the case when those roles are reversed which is why it's a wider issue - as well as the whole 'blokes are typically stronger, more likely to be abusive/violent' point. And, yet again, this isn't to say it doesn't happen the other way round; it does. But it's far, far, far, far, far, far less common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, bobzy said: Bold bit - you need to re-read my post. I haven't said anyone on here has ever condoned rape. Second part, yes that's probably true on both counts. However, there's probably also a "novelty" factor for a bloke having a woman catcall or slap their bum or whatever - it doesn't happen that often so it's just shrugged off. Sadly, not the case when those roles are reversed which is why it's a wider issue - as well as the whole 'blokes are typically stronger, more likely to be abusive/violent' point. And, yet again, this isn't to say it doesn't happen the other way round; it does. But it's far, far, far, far, far, far less common. “She didn’t wear much so she was asking for it”, is the epitome of condoning rape, and victim blaming, so unless I have read this wrong I will stand by my comment, but on the second point I completely agree. On a physical level, a man groping a woman is completely different to a woman groping a man, because the fear factor. Also, it does happen a lot for barmen and there was no novelty factor for me. It always made me feel uncomfortable but never physically intimidated, and as I said, any complaint were just laughed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, luckyeddie said: “She didn’t wear much so she was asking for it”, is the epitome of condoning rape, and victim blaming, so unless I have read this wrong I will stand by my comment Yes, as I said before, you’ve misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 @bobzy your favourites misogynist andrew tates on piers morgan uncensored at 8pm but im sure you have it recorded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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