Musk's Twitter Purchase

[chrisp65]

Just now, bobzy said:

You're not answering about the sports washing then?  That's fair.

 

And Llantwit Major sound dodgy as ****!

Genuinely, I don’t understand the question about sports washing?

What are you saying or asking there? 

[VILLAMARV]

1 hour ago, bobzy said:

And Llantwit Major sound dodgy as ****!

Lots of Masons and Plod....

[TreeVillan]

2 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Welp, I’m happy to use twitter.

I’ve said it before, I don’t get this shit on my feed. I don’t follow many, not many follow me. I see sales in record shops, I see the local football chatter. There’s a bit of local council level politics and some shops. I talk to my mates in the private messaging bit.

I think you maybe get out of it, what you put in to it.

There are adverts for crappy chinese remote control toy planes, and a tiny telescopic fishing rod. But they are easily ignored. Far less invasive than the adverts on youtube.

It’s free, they don’t have my name or my date of birth, I can’t see how it’s any more or less bad than the rest of the internet. I don’t use facebook, but my understanding is that can be fairly grim if you make it that way?

There was an evening I went researching people we were discussing on here and they were clearly scumbags and I could see a lot of the trash that people talk about. But surely you have to go looking for it, or follow it, or follow the sort of people that like or repost the stuff.

The place I keep seeing Musk tweets and Laurence Fox tweets, and Andrew Tate stuff? VillaTalk. Should we all leave?

 

**edit, I forgot historians, I follow a couple of historians, and taphologists. And space stuff, mostly just notice that the space station is coming over whether you can see the northern lights this evening.

But none of them post right wing filth, anti trans stuff, or general nasty shite.

Careful, your level headedness will get you cast aside here. 

[Davkaus]

1 hour ago, TreeVillan said:

Careful, your level headedness will get you cast aside here. 

Well it won't, will it, because he's being asked questions, and responding reasonably in good faith, not just throwing shit out there and having a tantrum when anyone says anything contrary.

[bickster]

5 hours ago, TreeVillan said:

Careful, your level headedness will get you cast aside here. 

One has to wonder why you bother reading and posting here then.

[luckyeddie]

9 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Welp, I’m happy to use twitter.

I’ve said it before, I don’t get this shit on my feed. I don’t follow many, not many follow me. I see sales in record shops, I see the local football chatter. There’s a bit of local council level politics and some shops. I talk to my mates in the private messaging bit.

I think you maybe get out of it, what you put in to it.

There are adverts for crappy chinese remote control toy planes, and a tiny telescopic fishing rod. But they are easily ignored. Far less invasive than the adverts on youtube.

It’s free, they don’t have my name or my date of birth, I can’t see how it’s any more or less bad than the rest of the internet. I don’t use facebook, but my understanding is that can be fairly grim if you make it that way?

There was an evening I went researching people we were discussing on here and they were clearly scumbags and I could see a lot of the trash that people talk about. But surely you have to go looking for it, or follow it, or follow the sort of people that like or repost the stuff.

The place I keep seeing Musk tweets and Laurence Fox tweets, and Andrew Tate stuff? VillaTalk. Should we all leave?

 

**edit, I forgot historians, I follow a couple of historians, and taphologists. And space stuff, mostly just notice that the space station is coming over whether you can see the northern lights this evening.

But none of them post right wing filth, anti trans stuff, or general nasty shite.

Is this people who study the Welsh?

[VillaJ100]

Musk is an absolute arsehole. Only talent he had was recruiting the right people to develop his stuff for him and let him take the credit. I hope twitter or X or whatever goes catastrophically bankrupt and the US government withdraws grant funding for his other businesses 

[sidcow]

20 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Welp, I’m happy to use twitter.

I’ve said it before, I don’t get this shit on my feed. I don’t follow many, not many follow me. I see sales in record shops, I see the local football chatter. There’s a bit of local council level politics and some shops. I talk to my mates in the private messaging bit.

I think you maybe get out of it, what you put in to it.

There are adverts for crappy chinese remote control toy planes, and a tiny telescopic fishing rod. But they are easily ignored. Far less invasive than the adverts on youtube.

It’s free, they don’t have my name or my date of birth, I can’t see how it’s any more or less bad than the rest of the internet. I don’t use facebook, but my understanding is that can be fairly grim if you make it that way?

There was an evening I went researching people we were discussing on here and they were clearly scumbags and I could see a lot of the trash that people talk about. But surely you have to go looking for it, or follow it, or follow the sort of people that like or repost the stuff.

The place I keep seeing Musk tweets and Laurence Fox tweets, and Andrew Tate stuff? VillaTalk. Should we all leave?

 

**edit, I forgot historians, I follow a couple of historians, and taphologists. And space stuff, mostly just notice that the space station is coming over whether you can see the northern lights this evening.

But none of them post right wing filth, anti trans stuff, or general nasty shite.

 I think you're missing the point.  By using the platform you're supporting him and the platform he uses for his toxic views. 

It's like signing for Newcastle and saying you're just a footballer and all those murders and human rights abuses and treatment of women is nothing to do with you, you're just here to play football 

Just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not happening and being enabled, in fact actively encouraged on the platform. 

[chrisp65]

14 minutes ago, sidcow said:

 I think you're missing the point.  By using the platform you're supporting him and the platform he uses for his toxic views. 

It's like signing for Newcastle and saying you're just a footballer and all those murders and human rights abuses and treatment of women is nothing to do with you, you're just here to play football 

Just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not happening and being enabled, in fact actively encouraged on the platform. 

So, I’ll ask the question I asked earlier.

You tell me what part of the internet doesn’t have right wing politics, porn, gambling, and other severely unhealthy content. TikTok telling young girls their body needs to be thinner? Right wing shit on facebook? Kids being groomed on facebook?

How do I avoid Bet365? How do I avoid the Republican Party and the Proud Boys? How do I avoid Israeli extremism or Islamic extremism or fundamentalist Christian anti trans extremism?

Yes, Musk is a bad person, no argument there. But is the main difference that he’s honest about it? Don’t all the other American tech giants and social media platforms actually have the same basic ethos, they’re just more discreet about it.

I use Flickr for photo hosting, others are using it to promote prostitution and sex cam sites. Should I stop using it? What about the drugs available on facebook? We stop using it? The counterfeit goods on eBay and amazon? stop using them? All those sites could do far more to prevent crime and hate. You tell me what website is doing literally everything it can to clamp down on child porn? Would that be the ones with end to end encryption?

Should there be a boycott of Tesla and starlink? That’s surely where the funding has come from? Cut the source of the funding, stop buying Teslas?

You tell me the social media site with wholesome well policed content and I’ll go have a look at it.

On the Newcastle analogy, I presume that everyone that thinks players shouldn’t play for Newcastle have personally boycotted all oil based products?

It’s an interesting discussion, and one of those where I could be persuaded, I’m not stuck in a dug in position here.

[sidcow]

27 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

So, I’ll ask the question I asked earlier.

You tell me what part of the internet doesn’t have right wing politics, porn, gambling, and other severely unhealthy content. TikTok telling young girls their body needs to be thinner? Right wing shit on facebook? Kids being groomed on facebook?

How do I avoid Bet365? How do I avoid the Republican Party and the Proud Boys? How do I avoid Israeli extremism or Islamic extremism or fundamentalist Christian anti trans extremism?

Yes, Musk is a bad person, no argument there. But is the main difference that he’s honest about it? Don’t all the other American tech giants and social media platforms actually have the same basic ethos, they’re just more discreet about it.

I use Flickr for photo hosting, others are using it to promote prostitution and sex cam sites. Should I stop using it? What about the drugs available on facebook? We stop using it? The counterfeit goods on eBay and amazon? stop using them? All those sites could do far more to prevent crime and hate. You tell me what website is doing literally everything it can to clamp down on child porn? Would that be the ones with end to end encryption?

Should there be a boycott of Tesla and starlink? That’s surely where the funding has come from? Cut the source of the funding, stop buying Teslas?

You tell me the social media site with wholesome well policed content and I’ll go have a look at it.

On the Newcastle analogy, I presume that everyone that thinks players shouldn’t play for Newcastle have personally boycotted all oil based products?

It’s an interesting discussion, and one of those where I could be persuaded, I’m not stuck in a dug in position here.

Yes, we all use products and services from providers we'd rather not. 

I just feel Musk / Twitter has become an outlier which it's fairly easy to avoid.

I'd never buy a Tesla or a Tesla home battery and i'd never sign up to Twitter. I won't even click a link anymore. 

I was just picking issue with the I'm happy to carry on as I don't see it comment.  The rest is purely personal.  Personally I'd prefer to do my tiny bit to shut him the **** up. 

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, sidcow said:

Yes, we all use products and services from providers we'd rather not. 

I just feel Musk / Twitter has become an outlier which it's fairly easy to avoid.

I'd never buy a Tesla or a Tesla home battery and i'd never sign up to Twitter. I won't even click a link anymore. 

I was just picking issue with the I'm happy to carry on as I don't see it comment.  The rest is purely personal.  Personally I'd prefer to do my tiny bit to shut him the **** up. 

I haven’t paid for my account, I’ve never bought a product advertised, I haven’t used my real name or DoB. I’ve never forwarded or promoted one of his tweets.

As far as I can see, I’ve cost him money.

I don’t see the child grooming on facebook, or the suicide promotion on instagram either. We all know its there.

 

[Rolta]

12 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Yes, we all use products and services from providers we'd rather not. 

I just feel Musk / Twitter has become an outlier which it's fairly easy to avoid.

I'd never buy a Tesla or a Tesla home battery and i'd never sign up to Twitter. I won't even click a link anymore. 

I was just picking issue with the I'm happy to carry on as I don't see it comment.  The rest is purely personal.  Personally I'd prefer to do my tiny bit to shut him the **** up. 

It's hard to find an alternative for what Twitter does though. I'm sure we'd all move over if there was a decent alternative, but there isn't really. For the record, I hate Musk, and think he's an idiot.

[limpid]

22 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

I haven’t paid for my account, I’ve never bought a product advertised, I haven’t used my real name or DoB. I’ve never forwarded or promoted one of his tweets.

As far as I can see, I’ve cost him money.

If you aren't paying for a service, you are the product.

[sidcow]

22 hours ago, Rolta said:

It's hard to find an alternative for what Twitter does though. I'm sure we'd all move over if there was a decent alternative, but there isn't really. For the record, I hate Musk, and think he's an idiot.

I think Threads made a MASSIVE error in releasing before it was really ready with lots of features still unavailable. If they'd waited till it was fully functional then the mass migration would have probably worked instead of what happened which was a ton of people trying it and concluding it didn't work very well. 

[chrisp65]

14 minutes ago, limpid said:

If you aren't paying for a service, you are the product.

Yep, I get that.

The only way I can think I’m the product, in that I’ve never bought an advertised product on twitter, is I just add to the general mass of numbers that make it look appealing to advertisers with magic Chinese products to sell.

Other than that, I do struggle to see how I’m the product.

[limpid]

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

Yep, I get that.

The only way I can think I’m the product, in that I’ve never bought an advertised product on twitter, is I just add to the general mass of numbers that make it look appealing to advertisers with magic Chinese products to sell.

Other than that, I do struggle to see how I’m the product.

Twitter's social map will have pretty much identified where you live, your approximate age, how much you travel, what your interests are. They sell this data as well as using it to target advertising. 

Twitter is a particular con because they still do all this even if you are paying for a tick. So those people are paying to be product.

[chrisp65]

9 minutes ago, limpid said:

Twitter's social map will have pretty much identified where you live, your approximate age, how much you travel, what your interests are. They sell this data as well as using it to target advertising. 

Twitter is a particular con because they still do all this even if you are paying for a tick. So those people are paying to be product.

I’m ok with that, feels like a small price.

I leave geo locate on my phone and apps so google et all can send me maps at the end of every month with a list of what shops I’ve visited or tell me where I was when I took this or that picture.

When I’m doing crime stuff or sex stuff I leave the phone home.

[limpid]

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

I’m ok with that, feels like a small price.

I leave geo locate on my phone and apps so google et all can send me maps at the end of every month with a list of what shops I’ve visited or tell me where I was when I took this or that picture.

When I’m doing crime stuff or sex stuff I leave the phone home.

Google don't sell the data, they just use it to target ads. But we aren't talking about Google.

You'll have a whole section of you twitter profile which indicates to advertisers that you might be interested in travel socks and driving gloves.

[Rolta]

42 minutes ago, sidcow said:

I think Threads made a MASSIVE error in releasing before it was really ready with lots of features still unavailable. If they'd waited till it was fully functional then the mass migration would have probably worked instead of what happened which was a ton of people trying it and concluding it didn't work very well. 

Yeah I'm ready to move. I have a blue sky code, but it just didn't seem very intuitive. Twitter and tweets was such a great bit of branding too, nothing else has the same feel. Definitely not **** 'X'. 

[chrisp65]

46 minutes ago, limpid said:

Google don't sell the data, they just use it to target ads. But we aren't talking about Google.

You'll have a whole section of you twitter profile which indicates to advertisers that you might be interested in travel socks and driving gloves.

Well, for the last 2 weeks they’ve been trying to sell me a telescopic fishing rod and a remote control plastic aeroplane, so they’ve got some refining to do yet.