Peter Griffin Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, nick76 said: I’ve never said it was wrong for a CEO to get things wrong, in fact I have only really ever praised Purslow on this forum and never asked for him to lose his job. All I’ve said is the board, rightly would’ve heavily relied on their CEO’s recommendation which is consistent with most companies. As for the first paragraph, it is about being seduced that traits can translate from one skill set to another. We can’t judge that just because Gerrard was a leader on the pitch that he’s a leader as a manager to the players. It’s a very different trait. TRO and I have been over this ground many times so I don’t fully agree with some of the things you’ve portrayed in that paragraph but it’s going over the same ground at what TRO and I have discussed on this thread many times so I won’t bother again. I know you don't agree with them and I don't want to go over the same ground, that is why I referred to it as the characteristics that Tro refers to. I also don't like your use of the word 'seduced' and it is not about seduction. It is making a judgement call based upon Gerrard's achievements and believing the risk is at an acceptable level. Your use of the word seduce is only trying to belittle the thought process behind it imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I think your wrong, top managers become top managers because they know how to see a project through. Most will have gone to the unlikeliest of places and produced a bit of magic. It's what makes a truly great manager and not a chancer imo. Look at Mourinho last season and what he did for Roma, never underestimate the challenge that certain individuals want. I think you are wrong Mourinho went to Roma because he’s at the end of the line in his managerial career, Chelsea was his pinnacle he’s been a manager in decline ever since then, Roma finished 6th one place above the season before and won some obscure made up European cup? Hardly the stuff of top managers is it? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) Great... Gerrard will be here through the WC break at least... Missed opportunity to get rid, upgrade the position, and start drilling the squad, now that we won't play another game until October. Edited September 9, 2022 by KMitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, zab6359 said: I think you are wrong Mourinho went to Roma because he’s at the end of the line in his managerial career, Chelsea was his pinnacle he’s been a manager in decline ever since then, Roma finished 6th one place above the season before and won some obscure made up European cup? Hardly the stuff of top managers is it? We have to agree to disagree then. If winning a European Trophy last season is declining, then I'd take that everyday over what we have. Yes, Cheslea may well have been the pinnacle of his career, but he could quite easily have won a trophy at Spurs if kept on another week just like he has everywhere he's been. He's a serial trophy winner. Elite imo and still knows how win. Something we don't have. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, zab6359 said: I think you are wrong Mourinho went to Roma because he’s at the end of the line in his managerial career, Chelsea was his pinnacle he’s been a manager in decline ever since then, Roma finished 6th one place above the season before and won some obscure made up European cup? Hardly the stuff of top managers is it? All cups are made up to be fair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KMitch Posted September 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, zab6359 said: I think you are wrong Mourinho went to Roma because he’s at the end of the line in his managerial career, Chelsea was his pinnacle he’s been a manager in decline ever since then, Roma finished 6th one place above the season before and won some obscure made up European cup? Hardly the stuff of top managers is it? One of the funniest comments I've ever seen on here... Truly bizarre... Let's look at Mourinho's career after leaving Chelsea Inter - Won back to back league titles and the Italian Treble (League, Cup, & Champions League). Arguably his greatest achievement Madrid - Won the league against one of the best Barcelona teams of all time and set the La Liga points record while doing it in addition to a Spanish Cup. Return to Chelsea - Won back to back league titles and a league cup Man United - Won the league cup, the Europa League, and got them to 2nd place with a terrible squad by Man United standards Spurs - Kane & Son had their best seasons ever and took Spurs to the League Cup final before he had a falling out with Levy who sacked him days before the League Cup final to spite him and tarnish his record Roma - He's been very open as to why he went to Roma. He wanted to take on a long term project with total control of the squad/transfers with a huge transfer kitty for the first time in his career, vs the "win now" mentality at every other job he's had. They're playing fantastic football right now and will be title contenders this season ahead of schedule. Edited September 9, 2022 by KMitch 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Peter Griffin said: I know you don't agree with them and I don't want to go over the same ground, that is why I referred to it as the characteristics that Tro refers to. I also don't like your use of the word 'seduced' and it is not about seduction. It is making a judgement call based upon Gerrard's achievements and believing the risk is at an acceptable level. Your use of the word seduce is only trying to belittle the thought process behind it imo Doesn’t matter whether you like my use of the word ‘seduced’, it doesn’t mean it’s not true. We’ll never know why they really hired him ie the criteria, what convinced them to choose Gerrard over other candidates they had on any list, all we can do is speculate and we all have different views. All we know so far is it’s not working out, will that change? Who knows… I guess we’ll find out if he gets the chance or he’ll get fired before too much longer and forever remembered as failing as manager at Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TRO said: We'll see......but Chelsea have a much stronger squad than us...maybe your forgetting that part. Birighton and Villa are not much between them....maybe they have bought for better value. That's my whole point. Villa are stronger than Brighton in terms of personnel and in terms of spending power. They start Danny Welbeck up front every week. We just have a better squad, but their manager got more out of theirs than ours does of our squad. It's just inescapable. No amount of excuses or "maybes" can obscure this. Our manager is underperforming because he's not a good coach. Potter was overperforming at Brighton because he is a good coach, and that's why he was immediately snapped up by Chelsea. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, nick76 said: Doesn’t matter whether you like my use of the word ‘seduced’, it doesn’t mean it’s not true. We’ll never know why they really hired him ie the criteria, what convinced them to choose Gerrard over other candidates they had on any list, all we can do is speculate and we all have different views. All we know so far is it’s not working out, will that change? Who knows… I guess we’ll find out if he gets the chance or he’ll get fired before too much longer and forever remembered as failing as manager at Aston Villa. I agree it doesn't mean it is not true but equally using it when you do not know whether it is true or not is unfair on CP and NSWE and just conjecture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, a m ole said: AT SWANSEA Yes at Swansea, who were relegated from the Premier League the month prior to Potter's appointment and had maximum parachute payments after spending 7 seasons as a Premier League team. That sounds like a very low win % for a PL team dropping down to the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: AT SWANSEA win ratio means 0. Or 0%. It’s not even a ratio. Sorry, I don't understand your deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) Mauricio Pochettino bookies favourite to be the next Villa Manager according to William Hill Edited September 9, 2022 by messi11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, messi11 said: Mauricio Pochettino bookies favourite to be the next Villa Manager according to William Hill Have you just put £5 on it happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 6 hours ago, jacketspuds said: Have you just put £5 on it happening? According to Betfair, Leicester are favourites to take Pochettino as their next manager at 5/1, Aston Villa 6/1 and Sevilla 7/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said: According to Betfair, Leicester are favourites to take Pochettino as their next manager at 5/1, Aston Villa 6/1 and Sevilla 7/1. Basically those odds are more reflective on who they think the next manager will be sacked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) I reckon Gerrard has two more games realistically, the Man City game bought him some extra time, but if we lose two more or don’t win them then I think he’ll be gone. I wouldn’t mind David Wagner, he did ok with Huddersfield, and that side wasn’t great by any means. I liked his style of play too, but he didn’t do great at Shalke I don’t think… Edited September 10, 2022 by alreadyexists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: I reckon Gerrard has two more games realistically, the Man City game bought him some extra time, but if we lose two more or don’t win them then I think he’ll be gone. I wouldn’t mind David Wagner, he did ok with Huddersfield, and that side wasn’t great by any means. I liked his style of play too, but he didn’t do great at Shalke I don’t think… He wasnt great at all at Schalke and was just sacked again in Switzerland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: He wasnt great at all at Schalke and was just sacked again in Switzerland Ah right, maybe he’s no good then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 hours ago, a m ole said: I know ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: Why delay the inevitable. Would be peak Villa to wait until poch and other top mabagers are unavailable Edited September 10, 2022 by Follyfoot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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