JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, nick76 said: I agree, also why are they coming here foregoing CL football for them to be the only signings for a 14th place team. There has to be more coming in. Imagine sitting in Kamara’s sitting room saying we finished 14th, Gerrard says “come play for me, we finished 14th, I’m signing you, Carlos and a back up LB, ignore those CL offerings…”. Kamara says “yes” to that? Hardly! I think they will have been sold a bigger picture and longer term vision to be fair. Wouldn't just necessarily be based on where we finished, or who we will be signing this summer. I think players are also a bit smarter than we might give them credit for. Might have watched a few games, looked at the current squad, think we are underachieving etc etc Discussions will have been multi faceted IMO. I think the ambitions of the owners plus money obviously will have sealed it, but I'm sure the discussions will have been all encompassing. Edited July 16, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Indigo said: Considering we've literally signed someone since then I probably would continue to say nothing about it if I were you. As above. ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Apart from the signing we've made we haven't signed anyone. Got it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I think whatever happens we've had a great window. Got lil Phil on a full time deal. Brought in one of the top midfield youngsters from France. A monster of a centre back in Carlos. Sweden's keeper as back up to Emi LB as back up and a challenge to Luca. Several players hopefully going into the season far more settled and fit than last year. Youth prospects flourishing. Very little in the way of unknowns coming into the club with a focus on strengthening our weaker areas. Most importantly a full pre season without ridiculous distractions. It shows me that regardless of us not spending fortunes on players that still may not work out, the club and fans are very much on the same hymn sheet. The day's of drastic change are over and now it's about tweaking and raising the levels. I'm quite happy. Or we’ve only really added definitely one upgrade to the first XI in Kamara with Carlos battling out with Konsa for the RCB position for a team that has been playing poorly for 18 months and a new relatively inexperienced manager at the helm and the team finished with 45 points and 14th last season. The reality is that it’s somewhere in between your analysis and the devils advocate I put above. I think the Kamara signing was amazing, the Carlos signing looks really good and locking down Coutinho is great. Those are great signings but given the expectation of the owners I can’t put this down as a great window yet. Think we still need another couple of quality additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, nick76 said: Because even by your analysis almost 20% of the team ie McGinn and Watkins probably need upgrading just to be attempting to challenge for European placed team even if we didn’t get it. More than that a third of our midfielders and our main striker you think may need upgrading, that’s significant. Our midfield was a major probably last season and all our eggs are in the basket on a 22 year old very talented, new to the country, league and language. I worry for Kamara because the pressure is huge to hit the ground running otherwise fans most likely will be on his back rather than allowing a settle in period. Totally get your point of view. Its just we are now in a world where you cannot spend whatever you want. Our decreasing transfer outlay will be due to increased salaries. It scares me that i can be totally happy with 8 out of the 11 positions. It has been a long time since i felt like that. Probably 1982 !! If we fall short this season it will be completely on the manager , not on the quality of the players i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sne said: Apart from the signing we've made we haven't signed anyone. Got it. Well it’s a loan…half a signing. He’s not even going to be first choice. Edited July 16, 2022 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I think they will have been sold a bigger picture and longer term vision to be fair. Wouldn't just necessarily be based on where we finished, or who we will be signing this summer. I think players are also a bit smarter than we might give them credit for. Might have watched a few games, looked at the current squad, think we are underachieving etc etc Discussions will have been multi faceted IMO. I think the ambitions of the owners plus money obviously will have sealed it, but I'm sure the discussions will have been all encompassing. Not convinced given the likely options Kamara had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, MWARLEY2 said: Totally get your point of view. Its just we are now in a world where you cannot spend whatever you want. Our decreasing transfer outlay will be due to increased salaries. It scares me that i can be totally happy with 8 out of the 11 positions. It has been a long time since i felt like that. Probably 1982 !! If we fall short this season it will be completely on the manager , not on the quality of the players i think. Fall short of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) Seems like all the transfer money being used for the new stadium. Hope you enjoy your new toilets in the North end Edited July 16, 2022 by messi11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDVILLAIN Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 There is no way in hell we are finished in the market...guaranteed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, Delphinho123 said: Fall short of what? Top 8 .. anything more is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, messi11 said: Seems like all the transfer money being used for the new stadium. Hope your enjoy your new toilets The transfer money just isn’t there. People expecting a ‘war chest’ of £200m spend this summer are already starting to get frustrated… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Totally get your point of view. Its just we are now in a world where you cannot spend whatever you want. Our decreasing transfer outlay will be due to increased salaries. It scares me that i can be totally happy with 8 out of the 11 positions. It has been a long time since i felt like that. Probably 1982 !! If we fall short this season it will be completely on the manager , not on the quality of the players i think. I just worry the longer we are out of the European places, the longer our revenue stagnates from no European money or commercial other revenue from that and thus we aren’t able to add the quality we need to improve because we can’t increase costs/salaries more in later transfer windows. We are so close as you point out that a bit more outlay now may make a key difference. Just my opinion though! Edited July 16, 2022 by nick76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted July 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2022 God I hate what a moany, never-happy bunch of rocket polishers some of our fan base have become. Just enjoy that we’ve got a really exciting squad and look forward to a season, eh? 14 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, nick76 said: I just worry the longer we are out of the European places, the longer our revenue stagnates from no European money or commercial other revenue from that and thus we aren’t able to add the quality we need to improve because we can’t increase costs/salaries more in later transfer windows. We are so close as you point our that a bit more outlay now may make a key difference. Just my opinion though! The problem is that the Europa league brings in comparatively little. By my calcilations maybe circa £15 mill if you win it from matchday and prize money takings Liverpool got 80 mill and then all their matchday revenue on top.from the Champions League. Its why MON did us the dirty against Spartak and put all his eggs in the Champs League . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, Tayls said: I’m saying absolutely nothing about me possibly being right when I called us being done a few weeks back… PFE 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: God I hate what a moany, never-happy bunch of rocket polishers some of our fan base have become. Just enjoy that we’ve got a really exciting squad and look forward to a season, eh? I do wonder if every club suffers the same, or we have just become the masters of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, MWARLEY2 said: The problem is that the Europa league brings in comparatively little. By my calcilations maybe circa £15 mill if you win it from matchday and prize money takings Liverpool got 80 mill and then all their matchday revenue on top.from the Champions League. Its why MON did us the dirty against Spartak and put all his eggs in the Champs League . The Europa league gets you into the CL thou, provided you win it of course. I don't see us ever getting into the CL through league places, unless we first sneak in the back way and start getting our revenue and profile up that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshharris12 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, messi11 said: Seems like all the transfer money being used for the new stadium. Hope you enjoy your new toilets in the North end Are you even a villa fan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Xela said: PFE 10/10 I don’t even know what that means but full marks is always a good thing! Edited July 16, 2022 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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