messi11 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, beachboys1 said: god ihope not we need more than a lb We need a miracle for top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marka Ragnos Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: Only two months left!! What are we playing at? Our current players players are unsaleable, unless we sell we have no money to buy, the best coach in the world has gone to QPR. We’re doomed, relegated before the World Cup kicks off. Get Big Sam in now before it’s too late and one of the promoted clubs snap him up. I took this in the most credulous way. I'm thinking this is that famous dry British humor -- oops, humour -- but I don't think I'll ever be quick enough to catch it on a first read. This forum always just gives me low nationality self-esteem. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: Really. Imagine Villa played City or United in a cup final or a huge league gane and they constantly tapped up our players on the week of the game by bidding for them and offering 3 times the wages Yikes, yeah, good point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paul514 Posted June 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, messi11 said: We need a miracle for top 10 We had the squad for top 10 this year, stop smoking drugs. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Marka Ragnos said: Yikes, yeah, good point. Not really it used to be like that before and it wasn't really an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, paul514 said: Not really it used to be like that before and it wasn't really an issue. This is getting more and more interesting ... Would clubs actually do that then? Top up? Was it a non-issue because it just seemed like stupid management since players wouldn't really be bedded in, and plus, bringing one star in at the drop of a hat would be pricey? So it was sort of self-limiting in terms of damage? Edited June 25, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: #humblebrag Hey now! If I were to humble brag, I'd mention something along the lines of how much better Torrey Pines is in San Diego, or Pebble Beach up north. But I didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Personally, I'd bring in a whole raft of changes to the transfer market: 1. Only one window a year (Winter one is largely pointless and just helps desperate big clubs avoid relegation/ panic buys!) 2. Transfer fees set by given formula (contract remaining/experience/caps etc) so all players essentially have buy out clause that's same for everyone. 3. Loans can only be used for U21s 4. Teams can only loan OUT five players (no hoarding 100s of youngsters) 5. Total owned players (including not named in squads) also capped 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: This is getting more and more interesting ... Would clubs actually do that then? Top up? Was it a non-issue because it just seemed like stupid management since players wouldn't really be bedded in, and plus, bringing one star in at the drop of a hat would be pricey? So it was sort of self-limiting in terms of damage? Clubs would buy players throughout the year until the end of February or March (I forget) when the window closed until the season was over. I don't ever remember someone buying a player to ruin someone else's chances though. What I will say is even if that was a perceived risk back then, think about it now.... You have FFP, players wages costing hundreds of thousands and 100 million price tags. That would surely lower the risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, jackbauer24 said: Personally, I'd bring in a whole raft of changes to the transfer market: 1. Only one window a year (Winter one is largely pointless and just helps desperate big clubs avoid relegation/ panic buys!) 2. Transfer fees set by given formula (contract remaining/experience/caps etc) so all players essentially have buy out clause that's same for everyone. 3. Loans can only be used for U21s 4. Teams can only loan OUT five players (no hoarding 100s of youngsters) 5. Total owned players (including not named in squads) also capped I don't agree with any of those points. 1. There is no issue with that. 2. Why on earth do we need a formula for a transfer fee to be set? The club values this player at X buy him or don't works completely fine. Mandatory buy out fees I think it fine. 3. Terrible idea, lots of players haven't developed how you want them by 21. It serves no useful purpose for the club, and would damage the career chances of many professionals. 4. I can see why some people would want this but again I see no problem with Chelsea's system. On the contrary I think it is a great revenue stream for a club that successfully invests in people to become pro footballers. 5. No need for this either, you can only register so many players so realistically they aren't going to be at your club if they aren't registered or don't need to be due to current age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, paul514 said: I don't agree with any of those points. 1. There is no issue with that. 2. Why on earth do we need a formula for a transfer fee to be set? The club values this player at X buy him or don't works completely fine. Mandatory buy out fees I think it fine. 3. Terrible idea, lots of players haven't developed how you want them by 21. It serves no useful purpose for the club, and would damage the career chances of many professionals. 4. I can see why some people would want this but again I see no problem with Chelsea's system. On the contrary I think it is a great revenue stream for a club that successfully invests in people to become pro footballers. 5. No need for this either, you can only register so many players so realistically they aren't going to be at your club if they aren't registered or don't need to be due to current age. Well we disagree, but I just went to do some research and actually a fair bit of this shake up to the loan system is coming apparently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 26, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 26, 2022 I like the idea of transfer weekend - the summer window but condensed into a single 48 hour period that's given live TV coverage - sort of like the NFL draft. It'd be an insanity of rumour, announcement and contract madness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, paul514 said: Not really it used to be like that before and it wasn't really an issue. But was no City/Chelsea moneybag teams back then. United was really the only team with money and were dominating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: But was no City/Chelsea moneybag teams back then. United was really the only team with money and were dominating Ok and will they have the ability to randomly drop 100m plus on Rice or Bellingham in a random November..... Nope Even if they could do that one year, could they follow it up the next year? 100% no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: Well we disagree, but I just went to do some research and actually a fair bit of this shake up to the loan system is coming apparently! I know the system is changing.... I can't remember what to though. We probably had more than 5 senior players on loan last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: 4. Teams can only loan OUT five players (no hoarding 100s of youngsters) 5. Total owned players (including not named in squads) also capped These are both good ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: Personally, I'd bring in a whole raft of changes to the transfer market: 1. Only one window a year (Winter one is largely pointless and just helps desperate big clubs avoid relegation/ panic buys!) 2. Transfer fees set by given formula (contract remaining/experience/caps etc) so all players essentially have buy out clause that's same for everyone. 3. Loans can only be used for U21s 4. Teams can only loan OUT five players (no hoarding 100s of youngsters) 5. Total owned players (including not named in squads) also capped What’s wrong with loaning out adult players that aren’t getting game time? Loads of players fall out of favour at their current clubs and seek game time elsewhere and these often result in permanent transfer. With your u21 rule Coutinho and Mings wouldn’t be with us now (but Targett and Trez would). It basically stops players from becoming depressed in limbo at a club that hasn’t got a current use for them (due to loss of form at that level, change of manager/ system etc). I don’t agree with most of your points either. I would like to see a wage cap though, maybe a fee cap, and maybe a limit to how many players you can own that hit the top fee and wage gap (I’m thinking how to avoid the total domestic dominance of the likes of Man City, PSG etc). Don’t know how any of that would work though, think football is already too far gone to reign it in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phily85 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: buy out clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 8 hours ago, messi11 said: We need a miracle for top 10 As hard as it may be the best thing to probably do is take a break from football. Look back at any transfer activity now and then. Pre season hasn’t even started yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, WallisFrizz said: What’s wrong with loaning out adult players that aren’t getting game time? Loads of players fall out of favour at their current clubs and seek game time elsewhere and these often result in permanent transfer. With your u21 rule Coutinho and Mings wouldn’t be with us now (but Targett and Trez would). It basically stops players from becoming depressed in limbo at a club that hasn’t got a current use for them (due to loss of form at that level, change of manager/ system etc). I don’t agree with most of your points either. I would like to see a wage cap though, maybe a fee cap, and maybe a limit to how many players you can own that hit the top fee and wage gap (I’m thinking how to avoid the total domestic dominance of the likes of Man City, PSG etc). Don’t know how any of that would work though, think football is already too far gone to reign it in. Whilst obviously sometimes there are benefits, I personally believe over 21s shouldn't really be loaned and I think, overall, it's a poor system. It's a way of keeping good players on your books or making smaller teams do your rehabilitation or for fiddling finances. If a player is unhappy they should be able to leave during windows. You'd have more permanent moves. When a decent player comes in there is always a strong chance you don't keep them which only benefits owning team. Lots of clubs use loans to balance books. There has to be a limit - Chelsea have some players on perpetual loan! Experience for U21s in lower leagues yes. Holding on to Henderson (GK) or Batshuayi etc is wrong and stunts growth and is purely a financial thing. Or, maybe I tweak it, and say you can only have 1 loan out in a five year period as a over 21. I just think loans should be for youngsters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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