Adam2003 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: thought Young was on the release list Just means he hasn’t got a contract in place after this month. He can still sign one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, duke313 said: Konsa and Chambers are defenders, they can't do the attacking job that Cash and Digne do. Guilbert will probably go I thought Young was on the release list? That leaves KKH, who as you say may not be ready. we absolutely need a back up RB Konsa and Chambers can do the job, that's enough for a back up I'm tempting fate here but the suggestion is that we need to buy a new back up to cover for the guy who played the most minutes in the PL last year? Yeah I think that's a waste of money personally, he gets suspended or misses 1 or 2 games then the other 2 or 3 players can do the job If he does his ACL the day after the window shuts that's different but I don't think we buy a player just for that scenario Edited June 17, 2022 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) Bale being linked. Bale doesn’t want to play many games, just be fit for WC. Digne will play most games. Bale started as a left back. Gerrard likes attacking left backs. *Puts in either an It’s Happening gif or that one with all the algebra* Edited June 17, 2022 by Adam2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Say what you want about Chambers abilities attacking from RB. He's still played the same number of Premier League games at right back as Cash has. So in terms of RB cover for one season he is clearly capable cover for a player who never seems to be injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Konsa and Chambers can do the job, that's enough for a back up I'm tempting fate here but the suggestion is that we need to buy a new back up to cover for the guy who played the most minutes in the PL last year? Yeah I think that's a waste of money personally, he gets suspended or misses 1 or 2 games then the other 2 or 3 game do the job If he does his ACL the day after the window shuts that's different but I don't think we buy a player just for that scenario Especially as we have KKH who is at most 12 months off being ready for Premier League 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, CVByrne said: Especially as we have KKH who is at most 12 months off being ready for Premier League Yeah I'd like him to get a sniff pre season personally, same as what we did in Jan, have a good look at him, put him alongside the 1st teamers and then near the end of the summer get him a loan and it will be a decent one because he'll have a lot of takers I think he'll be really exciting pre season and there'll be a lot of arguing over him on here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, CVByrne said: So someone quoting Fabrizio. Assume it was on a facebook live / podcast he said that. He does a few of those. Think Luis has a direct line to Romano as they often feature together on podcasts and stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, duke313 said: I haven't seen us linked with any right backs. Only full-backs i've seen linked with is Bassey, Sergio Gomez and Quentin Merlin who are all left-backs. The lack of speculation around right-back means we will pull someone unknown out of the bag or are going with KKH. Made a mistake mate, I meant the opposite of what I typed ffs I meant mostly linked with LEFT BACK backup So makes me wonder if we think we are more than covered with Chambers/Konsa/KKH or is there even a path for Guibert? Edited June 17, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, CVByrne said: So someone quoting Fabrizio. Assume it was on a facebook live / podcast he said that. He does a few of those. Yeah, that guy does a weekly Q&A/Podcast with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Yeah I'd like him to get a sniff pre season personally, same as what we did in Jan, have a good look at him, put him alongside the 1st teamers and then near the end of the summer get him a loan and it will be a decent one because he'll have a lot of takers I think he'll be really exciting pre season and there'll be a lot of arguing over him on here Yeah I'd be inclined to Loan him end of the window as he'll get a couple of EFL cup games in I think and a full pre season with a Premier League squad, trying to defend against Coutinho and Watkins will be a very very steep learning curve for him and two different challenges. IF we need to recall him in Jan due to an injury to Cash then at least he'll have had half a season of the Championship under his belt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Konsa and Chambers can do the job, that's enough for a back up I'm tempting fate here but the suggestion is that we need to buy a new back up to cover for the guy who played the most minutes in the PL last year? Yeah I think that's a waste of money personally, he gets suspended or misses 1 or 2 games then the other 2 or 3 players can do the job If he does his ACL the day after the window shuts that's different but I don't think we buy a player just for that scenario Another 38 game season for Cash with a World Cup thrown in the middle, what could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: No as I edited in my original post, his goals aren't even included in here because he technically counts as a forward according to the database I used. I think its more accurate to say attacking players than forwards for my list. The decomposition is actually Cash-4 Mcginn-3 Luiz-2 Konsa-2 Chambers-1 Targett-1 Mings-1 Hause-1. 15 goals total Adding Ramsey into that list bumps it up to 22. Seems pretty poor return for most of those players, I think only Cash seems ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: Another 38 game season for Cash with a World Cup thrown in the middle, what could possibly go wrong? Then we'd keep KKH at the club rather than loan him At best we'd get another Ashley Young in for 1 year because KKH is the future, I don't see us getting in say a £10m 24 year old on a 4 year deal as cover for cash, that doesn't make sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachboys1 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 just spoke to some one who doesnt think he has got the budget this window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted June 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, beachboys1 said: just spoke to some one who doesnt think he has got the budget this window Was it the West Brom manager? 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, nick76 said: Seems pretty poor return for most of those players, I think only Cash seems ok You're overestimating how many goals non-attackers score. For example, only Reece James has scored more goals than Cash this season as a full back. The average goal rate for a centre back this season is 0.05 per 90. Or, if they played every minute of the season, only 1.9 goals the entire season. For full backs its 1.52 goals. For center mids(DMs included), its 3.8. Its not a lot. Edit: For anyone interested, the corresponding values for attacking mids/wingers is 9.5. For strikers its 11.78. If this seems a bit high considering these are supposed to only be average values, its because the vast majority of wingers and strikers never end up playing anything close to a full season. It does leave certain players sorely underrated in terms of their goal return. I mentioned earlier about Michail Antonio not getting the goalscoring plaudits because of the amount of time he's missed through injury. For both the 19-20 and 20-21 season, he played barely above half the season in minutes. Yet he still managed 10 goals in both seasons. Imagine if he were fit the entire season for these seasons. Gabriel Jesus is another one. In his case, he's suffering from Man City's depth of attacking options and their need to rotate. By minutes, he has never played more than 60 percent of the entire season in his entire time at City. Yet at his peak, he still managed to get 14 goals. But I digress. Lukaku is another one. I'm not saying he's had a good season, far from it, but I don't think people realize how little he(or any individual Chelsea forward) has actually played this season. His goal return is a bit more defendable in that context. Edited June 17, 2022 by Laughable Chimp 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, duke313 said: Another 38 game season for Cash with a World Cup thrown in the middle, what could possibly go wrong? Well he'll likely play 4 games and then have a break as Poland go out in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: You're overestimating how many goals non-attackers score. For example, only Reece James has scored more goals than Cash this season as a full back. The average goal rate for a centre back this season is 0.05 per 90. Or, if they played every minute of the season, only 1.9 goals the entire season. For full backs its 1.52 goals. For center mids(DMs included), its 3.8. Its not a lot. Wow, just feels like other teams CB’s occasionally score on set pieces and ours just don’t but I guess based on the stats that’s not true. Thanks for the info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I can't see us signing a mid-aged striker.....it will be very young or very old. Ollie and Danny will be trusted with the main bulk of the games IMO.....Assuming with the better midfield, they will be more consistent. Someone will be brought in to mix it up a bit and give us some variety for options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, nick76 said: Wow, just feels like other teams CB’s occasionally score on set pieces and ours just don’t but I guess based on the stats that’s not true. Thanks for the info. Off the top of my head......I would have suspected the same as you Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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