Emiliano Buendía

[Tom13]

1 hour ago, R.Bear said:

It’s somewhat refreshing to see Teflon Buendia get some criticism for a change. He was the bestest player in the world when he was barely playing. Now fans are starting to see why he signed for us and why he was playing for Norwich before that. Because he’s not that good that’s why.

Im not sure how many times we need to sign Championship sides’ best players to realise it’s a stupid transfer policy that doesn’t work. Hopefully it stops with Emery and I’m sure it will.

This would hold some weight if he wasn't class in his first PL season with Norwich.

[Johnnyp]

2 minutes ago, Tom13 said:

This would hold some weight if he wasn't class in his first PL season with Norwich.

Can’t keep living off that. So was Todd Cantwell. 

[Tom13]

Just now, Johnnyp said:

Can’t keep living off that. So was Todd Cantwell. 

Todd Cantwell wasn't third for chances created behind only Grealish and KDB.

[R.Bear]

5 minutes ago, Tom13 said:

This would hold some weight if he wasn't class in his first PL season with Norwich.

So class that no-one signed him.

[Johnnyp]

2 minutes ago, Tom13 said:

Todd Cantwell wasn't third for chances created behind only Grealish and KDB.

Right. Anyway - it’s a moot point. He isn’t doing it now and hasn’t since he came in the door so…..Emery will have a look at him and his judgement will be better than mine or yours

[Delphinho123]

5 minutes ago, Tom13 said:

This would hold some weight if he wasn't class in his first PL season with Norwich.

Another excuse. Tom, why don’t you judge him on his time here? 

Bailey was class at Leverkusen, doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success here. Coutinho was the best player in the PL at Liverpool once upon a time, nows he’s on the bench for a club fighting relegation (as much as it pains me to say). 

Don’t mean diddly squat. Do you think Buendia has played well for Villa in his time here? Don’t answer based on what he could become, or what he might be played in a different position, how has he been since joining? 

[Tom13]

2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Another excuse. Tom, why don’t you judge him on his time here? 

Bailey was class at Leverkusen, doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success here. Coutinho was the best player in the PL at Liverpool once upon a time, nows he’s on the bench for a club fighting relegation (as much as it pains me to say). 

Don’t mean diddly squat. Do you think Buendia has played well for Villa in his time here? Don’t answer based on what he could become, or what he might be played in a different position, how has he been since joining? 

The one proper run he had (before Gerrard benched him for Coutinho), he was very good. Aside of that, he's had cameos and the very occasional odd start in a God awful system, in a team completely bereft of confidence. I'm confident he'll come good.

Edited October 29, 2022 by Tom13

[Tom13]

8 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Another excuse. Tom, why don’t you judge him on his time here? 

Bailey was class at Leverkusen, doesn’t mean he’s going to be a success here. Coutinho was the best player in the PL at Liverpool once upon a time, nows he’s on the bench for a club fighting relegation (as much as it pains me to say). 

Don’t mean diddly squat. Do you think Buendia has played well for Villa in his time here? Don’t answer based on what he could become, or what he might be played in a different position, how has he been since joining? 

Can I just ask, did you write off Veretout in 15/16?

[Keyblade]

28 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

I’m really not waffling and I’ll refrain from it turning toxic.

Ok, perhaps I’ve been more complimentary of Coutinho when others haven’t been as kind but let’s leave him out out of the equation for a minute. We don’t have to talk about Coutinho to either prove or dispel an opinion on Buendia.

Buendia, for me, has been largely poor since his arrival from Norwich. That opinion is based on what I’ve seen, regardless of whether he’s been ill treated or not played in his preferred position. He’s been poor. I just don’t know how you can get away from that.

He might go on to be the greatest player this club has ever employed. Great. But right now, he looks like a colossal waste of money based on what I’ve seen over the past 18 months. 

And I was all in on him. I’m sure if you look back at my posts when we signed him, I was ecstatic. Probably without good reason, but we’d signed a young Argentinian who’d been courted by Arsenal and he was our record signing. I’ll go as far as to say I thought he could replace Grealish and perhaps even be better!

All of the positive posts on here tend to talk about what he COULD be played in this position, played in that position and under a new manager. It’s just excuse after excuse. 

I don’t rate him. I don’t think he has the physical attributes to be exceptional for us at this level. Too slow, weak and pushed off the ball too easily. You can’t teach those things.

Hope I’m proven wrong @Keybladebut this guy gets an easy ride. 

Don't mean to be toxic at all mate, apologies, it's just strange to see you getting at people for giving Buendia an easy time when you do the same for his direct competition who has performed poorer than him. It makes no sense.

I do agree that he's been disappointing but it's been a disappointing 12 months at Villa in general. I've seen enough from him to suggest he will thrive in a good team...which we currently are not. Compare that to Ings or Bailey who he signed with or indeed Coutinho. He's shown a lot more than them during his time here to deserve patience.

[Delphinho123]

1 minute ago, Keyblade said:

Don't mean to be toxic at all mate, apologies, it's just strange to see you getting at people for giving Buendia an easy time when you do the same for his direct competition who has performed poorer than him. It makes no sense.

I do agree that he's been disappointing but it's been a disappointing 12 months at Villa in general. I've seen enough from him to suggest he will thrive in a good team...which we currently are not. Compare that to Ings or Bailey who he signed with or indeed Coutinho. He's shown a lot more than them during his time here to deserve patience.

The toxic comment wasn’t a response to your post, that was me just trying to distance myself from being a Twitter/Facebook kinda Villa fan where everyone is shit and the world is burning!

Look, there’s no getting away from the fact I rate Coutinho and love watching him play. I actually don’t think he’s been anywhere near as bad as some have made out on here even in the games where he hasn’t been all that involved. Perhaps I am biased in that sense!

Buendia frustrates me. Maybe you’re right and its a symptom of the team being poor but there’s things about his game I don’t think are coachable. 

Let’s hope you’re right and I’m wrong because a team outside of the top 6 (hell, the top 10 even!) cannot afford for £38m players not to play their part. 

[Demitri_C]

4 hours ago, KentVillan said:

70m isn't that much for two starters these days, and neither of them are on massive wages (75k per week... we spend more on Digne's wages alone).

Watkins proved his value the last two seasons (but I agree he needs upgrading now), and the jury's still out on Buendia.

I think its a hell of a lot. Between the two of them they have less than 5 goals this year. Thats absymal for that money.

Watkins has only had 1 good season with us -when there was no fans. Since the fans came back he has been average  to poor. I want him gone if nit January  the summer as he is just not good enough. 

 

[est1874]

1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said:

The toxic comment wasn’t a response to your post, that was me just trying to distance myself from being a Twitter/Facebook kinda Villa fan where everyone is shit and the world is burning!

Look, there’s no getting away from the fact I rate Coutinho and love watching him play. I actually don’t think he’s been anywhere near as bad as some have made out on here even in the games where he hasn’t been all that involved. Perhaps I am biased in that sense!

Buendia frustrates me. Maybe you’re right and its a symptom of the team being poor but there’s things about his game I don’t think are coachable. 

Let’s hope you’re right and I’m wrong because a team outside of the top 6 (hell, the top 10 even!) cannot afford for £38m players not to play their part. 

Buendia has objectively performed better than Coutinho in their respective times at Villa. Coutinho has had what, 2 decent matches and one or two brief flashes outside of that. 

[Delphinho123]

Just now, est1874 said:

Buendia has objectively performed better than Coutinho in their respective times at Villa. Coutinho has had what, 2 decent matches and one or two brief flashes outside of that. 

Your use of ‘objectively’ is objectively wrong. That’s your opinion. 

Coutinho is a better player than Buendia. It might be that Coutinho downs tools now and is shit for the rest of his time here but nobody can tell me Buendia is better. It isn’t even close. 

Buendia works hard and endears himself to the fans. He shows glimpses of ability with his eye for a defence splitting pass but that aside, he’s generally very poor. Not quick, not strong, can’t beat a player and is pushed off the ball too easily. 

As I’ve said before, I really hope I’m wrong but if you had a gun to my head now and asked me if Buendia is ever going to be a success here, I’d say not. He just doesn’t have the tools to be a top half PL player. 

[est1874]

2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Your use of ‘objectively’ is objectively wrong. That’s your opinion. 

Coutinho is a better player than Buendia. It might be that Coutinho downs tools now and is shit for the rest of his time here but nobody can tell me Buendia is better. It isn’t even close.

Was. He's done now. Stop living in the past, you can't judge a player on what he was 5 years ago.

[Delphinho123]

Just now, est1874 said:

Was. He's done now. Stop living in the past, you can't judge a player on what he was 5 years ago.

And nor can people in here judge Buendia on what he did at Norwich. Scroll back a few pages and I’m sure you’ll see comments from people saying he’s going to come good based on his time there. 

All we have is the here and now. And like you, I think Coutinho is underperforming but I’d still have him over Buendia on ability. Whether or not he deserves a place in the starting XI based on how he trains is a different matter. 

Buendia gives you 100% and his work rate/desire is commendable. But then so is Ollie Watkins’ and I don’t see many people on here jumping to his defence. 

Buendia is and has been poor at Villa. Might improve, might not, but I’m hugely disappointed in him given I was f***** buzzing when we signed him.

Shows what I know. 

[KentVillan]

9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I think its a hell of a lot. Between the two of them they have less than 5 goals this year. Thats absymal for that money.

Watkins has only had 1 good season with us -when there was no fans. Since the fans came back he has been average  to poor. I want him gone if nit January  the summer as he is just not good enough. 

 

We bought Watkins in 2020, though, and he has 27 Premier League goals for Villa. He's having a bad season, but the idea we flushed that money down the drain is just not consistent with what has happened.

Plus he's on relatively low wages (and you really need to look at wages when comparing transfers these days, as some players go for low fees, but insanely high wages... e.g. Digne is taking home £8.5m per year, whereas Watkins and Buendia are each taking £3.9m per year).

As for Buendia, he rarely gets a consistent run of games, and he was excellent last weekend against Brentford. And he's not a striker, so why are we measuring him on goals anyway?

Jury is definitely still out on Buendia, but it's still too early to say whether he was a bad signing IMO. He's only 25, and most likely would still recoup a big fee if sold on.

Let's see what Emery can do with him. I don't understand all the negativity about individual players when the club's clearly in a situation at the moment where we aren't getting the best out of our squad.

[Risso]

1 hour ago, Tom13 said:

This would hold some weight if he wasn't class in his first PL season with Norwich.

They built their side around him creating stuff for Pukki. Which made them both look OK, but isn't really a reliable basis for speniding £30m. He's too small, slow and inconsistent, and far too easy to dispossess. He could come good under Emery, but I just don't think he has enough about him to really influence games consistently. He's not in the "God Tier" of shite to urgently replace like Watkins, McGinn and Konsa, but the jury is definitely out on him. 

[VillanousOne]

Next on the scapegoat wheel of hate

McGinn, Bailey, Mings... oh it's a newish one folks still a classic call back, it's Buendia.

What a difference a week makes.

Everyone was utter toilet today, we are so mentally weak that the simplest of set backs will destroy us.

Lets see if Emery can get everyone playing to their potential even Buendia. 

[Indigo]

Big fan of his but one thing that consistently worries me about him regardless of whether he's playing well or poorly is that for the area of the pitch he operates in he's terribly slow at PL level, and doesn't have enough quality in shooting opportunities around the edge of the box. He gets in good positions but often tries to shift the ball sideways or has a tame effort at goal, I had a quick glance and his goals to xG ratio is amongst the worst in the entire league which really should not be the case.

Much like the majority of the squad, I'm holding out hope that Emery and co can manage to get the most out of him.

[rodders0223]

Fans in giving leeway to a player that actually looks like he gives half a shit when he puts on the shirt.