Aaron Ramsey

[sharkyvilla]

Maybe Aaron himself said he'd like to leave to a PL team.  PL teams might be more reluctant to use up one of their loan spots so this is a workaround.

[The_Steve]

No mention of any clauses in the Athletic article. They don't know either. It would make even less sense to sell.

 

[BG_Villa_Fan]

Hate it.

BUT.

Devil is in the details, it all depends on what the buyback option is worth and how it’s worded. Difficult to know what to expect when so few of these have actually been triggered.

This could be a blueprint for future deals as well. We have a lot of good young players and they will need to play real games to progress. Should the Villa persist as a top 6 team or better it would make it that much more difficult for them to find the game time with the big club. The loan option has been the obvious solution in the past, however, due to how ffp rules are, deals like the AJ’s might be more efficient.

Let’s hope he smashes it and is back within a couple of years.

[duke313]

6 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said:

Hate it.

BUT.

Devil is in the details, it all depends on what the buyback option is worth and how it’s worded. Difficult to know what to expect when so few of these have actually been triggered.

This could be a blueprint for future deals as well. We have a lot of good young players and they will need to play real games to progress. Should the Villa persist as a top 6 team or better it would make it that much more difficult for them to find the game time with the big club. The loan option has been the obvious solution in the past, however, due to how ffp rules are, deals like the AJ’s might be more efficient.

Let’s hope he smashes it and is back within a couple of years.

Hopefully you’re right. 

[villan95]

So according to Nixon (pinch of salt required) the buy back would be one we could just trigger rather than having to convince Aaron to come back. I think I'm okay with it if that's the case.

 

 

[rbcuk]

If Monchi wasn’t here no chance we would have even suggested this buy back clause, it’s good money for a player who has played 0 minutes in the premier, he wasnt going to get much game time or make the matchday squad with the current players in front of him, see how he gets on there and take up this buy back if he shows he is decent in the premier 

Edited August 5, 2023 by rbcuk

[The_Steve]

7 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said:

Hate it.

BUT.

Devil is in the details, it all depends on what the buyback option is worth and how it’s worded. Difficult to know what to expect when so few of these have actually been triggered.

This could be a blueprint for future deals as well. We have a lot of good young players and they will need to play real games to progress. Should the Villa persist as a top 6 team or better it would make it that much more difficult for them to find the game time with the big club. The loan option has been the obvious solution in the past, however, due to how ffp rules are, deals like the AJ’s might be more efficient.

Let’s hope he smashes it and is back within a couple of years.

It's also the reality that we are stuck with a bunch of deadwood we cannot shift for another year potentially because of their wages/transfer fees. I really dislike the idea of selling our top youth because we can't shift the deadwood off.

[Kingman]

40 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

Maybe Aaron himself said he'd like to leave 

Yes this is correct, I posted this last season that he had turn down a new improved contract offer 

Doesn't matter how I know but feel free to check back in the thread. Hes leaving chaps. Nothing to do with Emery. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Kingman

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

4 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Yes this is correct, I posted this last season that he had turn down a new improved contract offer 

Doesn't matter how I now but feel free to check back in the thread. Hes leaving chaps. Nothing to do with Emery. 

IT's a difficult one isn't it?

Sometimes you've actually got to consider the players side as well.

He'll have seen his brother thrive and will want to stake his own claim and be his own man at top level too.

Edited August 5, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[duke313]

I think this one will hurt more than say Archer or another youth player, because he’s Jacobs brother. I think most on here were hoping/expecting them both to be mainstays in the senior team. May still happen of course, if any buy back clause is activated.

[useless]

Him leaving because of refusing to sign a contract doesn't make sense, if he was leaving for that reason then we wouldn't bbe negotiating his terms should he return, could say that that isn't true but if you don't believe that part then why believe the rest as it's all come from the same source, also if he was leaving of his own accord, or because of refusing to sign a contract we wouldn't be putting buy-back-clause in the deal

[cheltenham_villa]

25 minutes ago, rbcuk said:

If Monchi wasn’t here no chance we would have even suggested this buy back clause, it’s good money for a player who has played 0 minutes in the premier, was no chance he was going to get much game time with the current players in front of him, see how he gets on there and take up this buy back if he’l shows he is decent in the premier 

Why do you think that?  On the basis that the rest of us have head of a buy back clause, it's hard to believe that it's a brand new sporting director to suggest one. 

I'd suggest it's more the fact that for the very first time we are in a position where a player would consider signing a buy back clause with us. It's worth remembering that the player also needs to agree to it and up until now we were attractive enough that anyone would think about doing that. 

[MWARLEY2]

1 hour ago, useless said:

The only reason Philogene is staying and Aaron Ramsey is being sold is because Ramsey brings in more money, it's not a footballing decision it's a money one.

My takeaway from reading a lot of the comments on this thread is that many are clueless to how good he actually he is, same people probably would have been happy to sell Jacob Ramsey when he first broke into the team because he didn't look like a world beater straight away.

Aaron is a similar level to what his brother was at a similar age, Jacob had made a few appearances for our first team when it was a lot easier to break into our first team, and Aaron Ramsey has already proven himself as a top performer at Championship level, there's not much difference in what they've achieved at the same age, Aaron is also better at Jacob at certain aspects of the game, he's better technically for example, overall Jacob is obviously better and Aaron might never be quite as good, but the gap between the two isn't as big as some think.

I really respect your posts Useless but on this occasion it is only opinion. Who knows why its Aaron rather than Jaden that is being sold . Maybe it could be that Aaron is farther away from his potential ceiling and he is being sold in order for him to get the games he needs with the caveat that we can buy him back in a couple of years if he makes the strides that we hope he can. Maybe they feel Jaden can do a job now being a year older and being a winger rather than an am /10. Maybe they feel Jaden is near his ceiling so can do a job as a squad player without ruining his development. 

And maybe just maybe it is Aaron and his agent who want it . And Villa are coming up with a solution that allows us to keep some semblance of control over his future. 

All conjecture at the moment and it will come out in the wash down the line i guess.

[useless]

It might be done but I seriously doubt it's anything to do with him refusing to sign contract for reasons given, also if he was refusing to sign contract I doubt he would have been training with first team, or starting first friendly against Walsall.

[Anything11]

17 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Yes this is correct, I posted this last season that he had turn down a new improved contract offer 

Doesn't matter how I know but feel free to check back in the thread. Hes leaving chaps. Nothing to do with Emery. 

would seem he wants to blaze his own path. especially considering it his entry into the team would in some cases mean in place of his brother

godspeed AJ

[Kingman]

1 minute ago, useless said:

It might be done but I seriously doubt it's anything to do with him refusing to sign contract for reasons given, also if he was refusing to sign contract I doubt he would have been training with first team, or starting first friendly against Walsall.

Mate, No pun intended. 12 months left, The lad wants to play football every week at the highest level and not be a bit part sub. 

Nothing to do with Emery not wanting him or him wanting more money. 

He wants to start every week 

[villabromsgrove]

I haven't got a clue as to what's actually happening with Aaron or Jaden, but whatever is going on behind the scenes seems to indicate that our Academy players are finally attracting the interest they deserve from out side of AVFC..

[beasley14]

12 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Mate, No pun intended. 12 months left, The lad wants to play football every week at the highest level and not be a bit part sub. 

Nothing to do with Emery not wanting him or him wanting more money. 

He wants to start every week 

He could have signed a new deal and gone on loan to do that though!  Doesn't help your point that you're being incredibly patronising to another poster who is offering valid reasoning as to why it doesn't totally make sense.

[beasley14]

26 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said:

Why do you think that?  On the basis that the rest of us have head of a buy back clause, it's hard to believe that it's a brand new sporting director to suggest one. 

I'd suggest it's more the fact that for the very first time we are in a position where a player would consider signing a buy back clause with us. It's worth remembering that the player also needs to agree to it and up until now we were attractive enough that anyone would think about doing that. 

I'd say it is a Monchi thing as this is for more common in Spanish football than it is over here.  

[fightoffyour]

How about people in this thread are aware of how good Aaron is, or rather could be, but also think this could the best option for Aaron’s development - given that we are at a higher level than we were when, say, Jacob broke through - while also giving us more FFP leeway.

The buyback clause will have contract terms already agreed, so we will be able to buy him back for a decent fee if he becomes good enough for us. We can’t give him playing time now to develop sufficient so this works in our favour. If he doesn’t make it then we got a decent fee.

This is a good deal for everyone. No need to panic.