The Hung Like a Donkey General Election December 2019 Thread

[bickster]

10 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

Honestly don't think what Gove did is any worse than what C4 did. You can't really say that commisioning an ice sculpture with a melting image of the planet above a party logo & putting out a statement that boris had sent his dad to argue on his behalf isn't propaganda too...

Someone doesn't turn up? Just take away the plinth and make a statement about it at the start of the show. The whole empty chairing stuff is just rediculous

 

Do you honestly think they would have done the same if Swinson/Corbyn had been unable to turn up for some reason?

You know Gove was never invited and Johnson turned down the invitation?

Johnson is running scared of any public TV appearance where he may look an idiot, it's not an isolated incident, he also has a history of avoiding Channel 4 because he fears they will scrutinise what he says and not let him get away with his bullshit as much as other more fawning channels.

I think they were perfectly justified in doing what they did.

[StefanAVFC]

Ve-gun. Like everyone else  

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, bickster said:

You know Gove was never invited and Johnson turned down the invitation?

Johnson is running scared of any public TV appearance where he may look an idiot, it's not an isolated incident, he also has a history of avoiding Channel 4 because he fears they will scrutinise what he says and not let him get away with his bullshit as much as other more fawning channels.

I think they were perfectly justified in doing what they did.

Johnson is also running scared from Neil.

They are evil. 

[Dodgyknees]

7 minutes ago, bickster said:

Can you vote when staying at Her Majesty's Pleasure?

Good point, didn't think if that.

[mjmooney]

Anyone else getting Tory/Brexit hi-jacks on their FB feed? 

You get a notification for a video watch party from one of your (non-political) groups, click on it, and you get something entirely different. It only lasts until the video has played once, then disappears. 

First one I noticed was from a Neil Young group - clicking on the link led me to a Nigel Farage Brexit Party video. Sadly, I didn't screenshot it in time, and gave them the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake. 

But then this morning... 

Top was the notification, bottom was a still from the video it linked to:

Edited November 29, 2019 by mjmooney

[StefanAVFC]

3 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

Anyone else getting Tory/Brexit hi-jacks on their FB feed? 

You get a notification for a video watch party from one of your (non-political) groups, click on it, and you get something entirely different. It only lasts until the video has played once, then disappears. 

First one I noticed was from a Neil Young group - clicking on the link led me to a Nigel Farage Brexit Party video. Sadly, I didn't screenshot it in time, and gave them the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake. 

But then this morning... 

Top was the notification, bottom was a still from the video it linked to:

We already know from US politics that FB are completely corrupt when it comes to Political advertising. Not surprised it found its way over here too.

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

19 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

What's the relevancy?

The relevancy is (I hope ),  that if the shoe was on the other foot and Labour were on course for a majority,  then If they thought that not sending Corbyn to some climate debate and sticking Dianne Abbot on top of a Xmas tree in Travelgar Square with a dance troop and a camera crew might possibly help them get them the win they would do exactly the same,  they all would.

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

The relevancy is (I hope ),  that if the shoe was on the other foot and Labour were on course for a majority,  then If they thought that not sending Corbyn to some climate debate and sticking Dianne Abbot on top of a Xmas tree in Travelgar Square with a dance troop and a camera crew might possibly help them get them the win they would do exactly the same,  they all would.

There's 2 points here.

1) Johnson didn't show up

2) Gove turned up uninvited with a full film crew to make a propaganda video.

I am fully focused on 2. You are confused on 1.

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

There's 2 points here.

1) Johnson didn't show up

2) Gove turned up uninvited with a full film crew to make a propaganda video.

I am fully focused on 2. You are confused on 1.

I don't think I am explaining it well tbf to you.  I am not having a go by the way.

[markavfc40]

8 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

Do you honestly think they would have done the same if Swinson/Corbyn had been unable to turn up for some reason?

Yes I think they would.

There is a bigger issue here really. Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister. He should be leading by example. Last nights debate was the biggest issue facing our country, although I know a lot of people have been brainwashed into thinking Brexit is all that matters. Why wouldn't he want to debate that. Put across his vision for the future and how under his government will tackle such a serious issue. Any leader worth his salt should want to.

I have read the bollocks defending him about wanting to hide from being scrutinised and the election is his to lose. FFS are people really going to vote for a man that is scared to face the public or be grilled by certain people for fear of not being able to stand up to that scrutiny. Is that how low a bar we are setting for the person who is going to lead us into our most important period as a country for donkeys years.

I don't get it I really don't. The man is not fit to lead a pub darts team let alone a country. He has one policy he wants to focus on which is Brexit and then gives no substance and comes out with phrases like oven ready Brexit vote Tory and on 31st January you will get that ping on the microwave and Brexit is done. It is absolute tripe he is spouting as Brexit will be nowhere near done and the only way we get out within the next year is on a catastrophic no deal. 

The man is a pathological liar who refuses to be scrutinised and millions of people in this country are going to vote for him to become PM. I despair I really do.

Edited November 29, 2019 by markavfc40

[snowychap]

47 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

Not taking sides but who defines it as a "leaders debate" ?

 

[snowychap]

45 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

Do you honestly think they would have done the same if Swinson/Corbyn had been unable to turn up for some reason?

Yes. I hope they would and think that they probably would have done, too.

And if the Labour leader were the current PM and had been making similar noises to the Tory party yesterday (comments about C4 licence and so on) then we'd have been hearing about the second coming of Stalin.

Edited November 29, 2019 by snowychap

[StefanAVFC]

If Johnson went on Neil, and then Corbyn ducked it, what would the reaction from the wider right, and the media be?

[peterms]

1 hour ago, LakotaDakota said:

The whole empty chairing stuff is just rediculous

If a programme notes that someone has not turned up and doesn't empty-chair them, that is tantamount to accepting the position and moving on.

The point of empty-chairing is to give a constant visual reminder that there was a legitimate expectation that someone would be there, and they have chosen not to be.

That's why they don't like being empty-chaired.  Which in turn is why it's worth doing it, for something like a leaders' debate.

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, avfcDJ said:

 

Wow. He really really really really really doesn't want to talk about social care, does he. I wonder why. 

[HanoiVillan]

The Sun get in touch with a doctor to produce a fair and reasoned assessment of Labour's plans:

 

[StefanAVFC]

And the party who created this entire mess from the EU referendum purely for political reasons, then called 2 GE's outside of the FTPA for political reasons is?

Either a staggering lack of self-awareness, or yet more snide politics from the nasty party,

[sharkyvilla]

The silly thing is a climate debate should be a piece of piss especially as Boris has a bit of a track record for green policies when Mayor of London (though far from perfect obviously).  Just seems like he has unnecessarily shot himself in the foot, not that I expect it'll make that much difference.

[bickster]

1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said:

Boris has a bit of a track record for green policies when Mayor of London

Does he?

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At first glance, it would appear Boris Johnson, an ex-mayor of London who is passionate about cycling, would be a prime candidate for being one of the greenest Prime Ministers in history. But dig deeper and you find a number of comments and policy decisions about the environment which perhaps don’t match the public persona.

Policy positions

His opposition to Heathrow Airport expansion as mayor of London is well known, but as with many issues to do with Johnson, the true picture is unclear. Was his opposition to Heathrow expansion because of the environment, or was it because he wanted his own “Boris Island” Airport in the Thames Estuary? He has also changed his mind about Heathrow in recent months, according to reports. What happened to the man who would “lie down in front of the bulldozers” over the scheme? Such is the green contradiction at the heart of the man entering Number 10 on Wednesday evening.

It is instructive to look at his voting record on climate issues to get past the rhetoric. As an MP, he has voted against policies to include a carbon capture and storage strategy and also against the implementation of emissions-based vehicle taxes. He also voted for applying the Climate Change Levy on electricity generated from renewable sources. Interestingly, Johnson has never voted on a new high-speed rail infrastructure.

As mayor of London, his environmental record is mixed. It was discovered in 2016 that he held back a report about air pollution impacting deprived schools, but he also planned the first Ultra Low Emission Zone and slapped an additional £10 on diesel vehicles to drive into the centre of London. He also committed to electrifying the bus fleet and improving the capital’s rapid charging network, spending £330m on hybrid buses, zero-emission taxies and trees. But he also scrapped the proposed western extension of the Congestion Charge Zone, which could have had a significant impact on vehicular traffic and air pollution throughout the capital.

More recently as an MP, he has backed calls for greater regulations on fracking, and spoken out against the US’s decision to leave the Paris Agreement. However, during hustings for the leadership of the Conservative Party, Johnson also didn’t refer to the “climate emergency”, which was passed by the House of Commons, and his language has often been more muted on climate change than Jeremy Hunt, his rival for the job.

Much more on here... edie.net

[snowychap]