Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I agree. Only thing I watch on BBC is dragons den and motd. I could live without both tbh of it savee me £150 a year. Netflix and Amazon are much better value for money Then don't have a licence fee, and watch Netflix and Amazon on your computer, and let the rest of us who don't want adverts interrupting everything to have that. I mostly encounter the BBC through listening to Five Live. I'm well aware of what a commercial equivalent of Five Live would sound like; Talksport has been around for years. The difference in quality is not small. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted June 11, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Do you think the public open to discussion about privatisation of the BBC? Surely, with things like Netflix or Amazon where you only pay a few £ a month and get much wider (and possibly better) service it is at least worth a conversation? Tories and media company execs the world over suddenly start salivating, as the siren call of privatising the world's biggest public media organisation is heard echoing through the ether... Yeah, no. The BBC has developed problems with its news and political content. It always used to have the get out of being the establishment voice or slightly leaning towards the government, but it's increasingly become overtly right wing, overtly biased, has journalists too chummy with figures they should be critical of and has become way too comfortable with far right figures and causes. It's online news is just lowest common denominator stuff, which has meant you often get badly written stories that almost seem auto generated. But that's all an issue of personnel, funding and direction of the broadcaster, and needs to be rectified quickly, but it's not a cause to bin off the thing entirely. The rest of the content they produce is still high quality generally and they produce an awful lot of it across an awful lot of different subjects and types of media. That doesn't need to go away. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 The idea that "I only do this", "I only use that" on the BBC is completely stupid, it's a national broadcaster not a commercial enterprise, it is there to be something for everyone It's a bit like saying I'm not paying my council tax becuase I never use the local park so I shouldn't have to pay for that bit of my tax 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Talksport Or "We are going live to Old Trafford.Sport" Just put the station inside Old Trafford, lot easier. words removed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, bickster said: It's a bit like saying I'm not paying my council tax becuase I never use the local park so I shouldn't have to pay for that bit of my tax "I don't have kids, why should my taxes be used to pay for schools?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Let's not forget it isn't just live TV. Its catchup. It's radio and their website. I don't watch BBC, or iplayer, or listen to their radio stations and their website is utterly dreadful. I'd rather have the annual fee back in my bank account please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Then don't have a licence fee, and watch Netflix and Amazon on your computer, and let the rest of us who don't want adverts interrupting everything to have that. I mostly encounter the BBC through listening to Five Live. I'm well aware of what a commercial equivalent of Five Live would sound like; Talksport has been around for years. The difference in quality is not small. If I could I would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, bickster said: The idea that "I only do this", "I only use that" on the BBC is completely stupid, it's a national broadcaster not a commercial enterprise, it is there to be something for everyone It's a bit like saying I'm not paying my council tax becuase I never use the local park so I shouldn't have to pay for that bit of my tax It's not even close. It's an entertainment service. One I don't use so yeah, if you want it then you pay for it. It's not essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Ingram85 said: I don't watch BBC, or iplayer, or listen to their radio stations and their website is utterly dreadful. I'd rather have the annual fee back in my bank account please. That's ok, don't have a telly then. it's a tax on your telly ownership but unlike most taxes in the UK the money goes into a very specific pot to provide a very specific service. You don't use it, that's pretty much your problem not the rest of the country's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Ingram85 said: It's an entertainment service No, it isn't. You have picked a small section of what it is. The entertainment service is the park in my council tax analogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: That's ok, don't have a telly then. it's a tax on your telly ownership but unlike most taxes in the UK the money goes into a very specific pot to provide a very specific service. You don't use it, that's pretty much your problem not the rest of the countries Its collected by the BBC. Not the Gov't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: No, it isn't. You have picked a small section of what it is. The entertainment service is the park in my council tax analogy So what is it then? It's a broadcasting company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Ingram85 said: So what is it then? It's a broadcasting company. Our national broadcaster, it does many many things you probably haven't thought of. It shapes our cultural identity in many ways You listen to music? Just imagine what a state our music industry would be in without the BBC. The exposure artistes get through the BBC, paying for BBC exclusive sessions across an number of platforms. Concerts and other events across many platforms too. There is hardly a band since the 60's that hasn't got to where it is today (or whenever their day was) without the help that the BBC provides. It doesn't matter whether you listen to them on the BBC or not, you will be aware of them. Without the BBC there is less chance of that happening (Much Less) And thats just one small example of the impact the BBC has and what it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Its collected by the BBC. Not the Gov't. Your council tax isn't collected by the government either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2019 The BBC's remit is to educate entertain and inform. They are required to produce content that hits all of these across their output. The entertainment side of things is a major one but it's not all of it. It's news content, a lot of the non-music radio content, schools stuff, even a lot of its primetime stuff isn't about entertainment (or solely that for the primetime stuff - documentaries etc straddle the line). It'll never just be an entertainment company. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Our national broadcaster, it does many many things you probably haven't thought of. It shapes our cultural identity in many ways You listen to music? Just imagine what a state our music industry would be in without the BBC. The exposure artistes get through the BBC, paying for BBC exclusive sessions across an number of platforms. Concerts and other events across many platforms too. There is hardly a band since the 60's that hasn't got to where it is today (or whenever their day was) without the help that the BBC provides. It doesn't matter whether you listen to them on the BBC or not, you will be aware of them. Without the BBC there is less chance of that happening (Much Less) And thats just one small example of the impact the BBC has and what it does None of that is essential to our day to day lives and can be done by other platforms. You like the BBC and that's great, there is nothing wrong with that at all but if you want their services then pay for them. I and a shed load of others can live without them, I want to have that choice and therefore want my money back. If I don't pay my council tax then my day to day life is affected. It's a service provider. Nothing more. I don't require their services. The bands I listen to wouldn't even get exposure on the BBC. You say 'great, don't have a telly then' but from buying my telly, plugging in the wires and watching say ITV or Netflix, at what point does the BBC have any input in that? By default I have to pay, the argument is that I don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ingram85 said: I want to have that choice and therefore want my money back You already have that choice. Don't use a TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: The BBC's remit is to educate entertain and inform. They are required to produce content that hits all of these across their output. The entertainment side of things is a major one but it's not all of it. It's news content, a lot of the non-music radio content, schools stuff, even a lot of its primetime stuff isn't about entertainment (or solely that for the primetime stuff - documentaries etc straddle the line). It'll never just be an entertainment company. So why is it called a TV Licence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, bickster said: You already have that choice. Don't use a TV But I still want to watch everything else that is provided away from the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 like most of our institutions its ran poorly, its a leaky ship and those at the top get paid more than the going rate but when anyone suggests a fix or an alternative state its historical significance and blame the tories 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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