Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bickster said: You aren't paying for a service for the umpteenth time, you are paying a tax on your TV And for the umpteenth time why? And why to the BBC? Say I want a TV and just watch ITV or Netflix, what the actual **** does it have to do with the BBC and their services? Edited June 11, 2019 by Ingram85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: But you've made that decision and there's nothing wrong with that. Why should people who see paying for entertainment services that they simply don't use as a bad thing be forced into it? Because you're effectively paying for a national service that thusly benefits from being outside the market, even if you personally don't get much use out of it, the greater benefit comes from a socialised cost. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ingram85 said: And why to the BBC? It's our national broadcaster 2 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Say I want a TV and just watch ITV or Netflix, what the actual **** does it have to do with the BBC and their services? No-one is stopping you but please pay your taxes on the TV you are using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I buy a Samsung TV direct from Samsung. It arrives, I plug it in, I watch Food Network. I play Xbox for a bit. Watch a bit of Netflix. Man from BBC shows up asking for money. Why? Pay tax for fishing rod to go fishing. I have the choice not to go fishing if I don't want to pay the tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ingram85 said: I buy a Samsung TV direct from Samsung. It arrives, I plug it in, I watch Food Network. I play Xbox for a bit. Watch a bit of Netflix. Man from BBC shows up asking for money. Why? Pay tax for fishing rod to go fishing. I have the choice not to go fishing if I don't want to pay the tax. You have the choice not to use a television too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: Because you're effectively paying for a national service that thusly benefits from being outside the market, even if you personally don't get much use out of it, the greater benefit comes from a socialised cost. But I don't care about the BBC, I don't care if an entertainment service dies. I'll watch something else. It's such a crap way of doing it. Its entertainment, it's not essential. This whole national treasure, cultural phenomenon is subjective and utter rubbish. Edited June 11, 2019 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 11, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: If you're purely watching Netflix do you have to have a TV licence? I thought you only needed a TV licence to watch live TV and iPlayer. May be wrong but I always thought this was the case. No. You're right. You don't need a license for netflix. Quote A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, and to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer. This could be on any device, including TVs, desktop computers, laptops, mobile phones, tablets, games consoles, digital boxes, DVD, Blu-ray and VHS recorders. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: You have the choice not to use a television too But in using that TV, at which point do the BBC get involved with me? Do ITV use the BBC to broadcast their shows? Does every channel go through the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 11, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Why does the British Tax Payer have to pay for a service that they might not use at all in order to be able to use a service they prefer? They don't. See my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, blandy said: No. You're right. You don't need a license for netflix. "Section 365 of that Act requires that a person to whom a TV Licence is issued must pay a fee to the BBC. The nature and amount of this fee is set out in the Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (as amended). Since 1991, the BBC, in its role as the relevant licensing authority, has been responsible for collecting and enforcing the TV Licence fee. The BBC contracts companies to do this work under the BBC trade mark ‘TV Licensing’. The BBC (and contractors acting on its behalf) must comply with the law in collecting and enforcing the licence fee. The BBC Charter further requires that these arrangements be appropriate, proportionate and efficient." Corrupt as ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: But I don't care about the BBC, I don't care if an entertainment service dies. I'll watch something else. It's such a crap way of doing it. Its entertainment, it's not essential. This whole national treasure, cultural phenomenon is subjective and utter rubbish. Cool. I do. And I'm thankful that you and so many others contribute to it as I do. It isn't just an entertainment service and it is a service that offers a vast benefit to the nation as a whole that it is able to do because it's publicly funded. As said, there's a great many things that are publicly funded that I personally don't use. I'm not going to whinge about it though because they will be of a benefit to others and funding them outside of the market is vital. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: They don't. See my post above. I'm trying to get a good read for it and unfortunately it hasn't strictly answered the question. Quote A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, and to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer. This could be on any device, including TVs, desktop computers, laptops, mobile phones, tablets, games consoles, digitalboxes, DVD, Blu-ray and VHS recorders. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC. The first highlight states it's a tax for using a device. Regardless of whether I watch BBC or not - at least according to this paragraph. As for the second, It's funding the BBC but it's not a payment for BBC services. I'm trying to get my head around it. How can I find something but not pay for it at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Cool. I do. And I'm thankful that you and so many others contribute to it as I do. It isn't just an entertainment service and it is a service that offers a vast benefit to the nation as a whole that it is able to do because it's publicly funded. As said, there's a great many things that are publicly funded that I personally don't use. I'm not going to whinge about it though because they will be of a benefit to others and funding them outside of the market is vital. But my argument is that I don't see the BBC as vital. Public Services such as healthcare, education, policing, environmental stuff etc... yes they are vital and I'm happy to pay for it even if I never need their services. They are vitally important. My argument is that the BBC isn't. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: But my argument is that I don't see the BBC as vital. Public Services such as healthcare, education, policing, environmental stuff etc... yes they are vital and I'm happy to pay for it even if I never need their services. They are vitally important. My argument is that the BBC isn't. That's it. Lots of people would say that healthcare isn't an essential service and should be paid for by those who use it, when they need to use it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Lots of people would say that healthcare isn't an essential service and should be paid for by those who use it, when they need to use it. Does the BBC save multiple lives on a daily basis? Edited June 11, 2019 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Ingram85 said: But my argument is that I don't see the BBC as vital. Public Services such as healthcare, education, policing, environmental stuff etc... yes they are vital and I'm happy to pay for it even if I never need their services. They are vitally important. My argument is that the BBC isn't. That's it. Do you not see the value in a service that can inform, educate AND entertain across a variety of channels on a vast range of subjects, that isn't beholden to profit, to pleasing shareholders and advertisers? It's a benefit to society. Are people going to die if the BBC stops? No. But as a whole society would be worse off as they are fed news that pleases it's major shareholders, shown programmes that only make a profit... Earlier this year the BBC broadcast a 2 part, 2 hour documentary on the recent fortunes of Hornby, the model railway company that also owns AirFix. It was really good. Well made, filmed over a long period, lots of locations, voiceover from James May... I sincerely doubt that that would get made in a profit driven environment, or to the same quality. Would I die if I hadn't seen it? No. I wouldn't die if the library shut either. I haven't set foot in the place in 20 years. But I'd rather it didn't close all the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted June 11, 2019 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 Me me me me me me me me me me me me me 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Do you not see the value in a service that can inform, educate AND entertain across a variety of channels on a vast range of subjects, that isn't beholden to profit, to pleasing shareholders and advertisers? It's a benefit to society. Are people going to die if the BBC stops? No. But as a whole society would be worse off as they are fed news that pleases it's major shareholders, shown programmes that only make a profit... Earlier this year the BBC broadcast a 2 part, 2 hour documentary on the recent fortunes of Hornby, the model railway company that also owns AirFix. It was really good. Well made, filmed over a long period, lots of locations, voiceover from James May... I sincerely doubt that that would get made in a profit driven environment, or to the same quality. Would I die if I hadn't seen it? No. I wouldn't die if the library shut either. I haven't set foot in the place in 20 years. But I'd rather it didn't close all the same. I watched a 2 hour film about Funko Pops on Netflix. Niche things still have a place in other areas. We aren't going to change each others minds so this is all starting to feel a bit, fruitless? I know the law as it stands currently and yeah, I'll continue to pay the rackett. But I hope it changes in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Me me me me me me me me me me me me me Bit unnecessary. Can be applied to yourself also. Bizarre your concrete thinking Bicks. Edited June 11, 2019 by Ingram85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Does the BBC save multiple lives on a daily basis? Surely those people can pay the cost of their lives being saved? Or pay for an insurance policy that will. Why should I have to subsidise it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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