chrisp65 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Shomin Geki said: And how about the other examples offered? Well, it was quite a chunk or writing. James Bond doesn’t like the Beatles? Absolutely fine. James Bond being the 1000th person to claim your real life wife or daughter is a slapper? Not so much. My point, is the obvious abuse that could be doled out in the name of art, by a fictional character can be used and it can be abused. If you think they have the right to do it, I have the right to criticise it. Characters can be overtly off from the current norms, of course they can. But I personally don’t think it can be used for cheap shots at real people that then reinforce and normalise poor ideas through repetition until it’s accepted as ‘normal’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, bickster said: Seems perfectly reasonable to me I had a countdown timer waiting for you or @mjmooney to post something like this. Would've put my house on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 I’ve checked the historical figures from the mid to late 70’s and can confirm that there were no recorded crimes perpetrated by male offenders while “The Sweeney” was on prime time television. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 In the light of the quite justified ridicule he’s received, he’s kinda doubled down and sent out a statement on parliamentary headed paper saying he’s been ‘misconstrued’ and hadn’t linked Dr Who to crime levels in young men, Every time you think you’ve found the most tory tory, a new one pops up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: In the light of the quite justified ridicule he’s received, he’s kinda doubled down and sent out a statement on parliamentary headed paper saying he’s been ‘misconstrued’ and hadn’t linked Dr Who to crime levels in young men An entire nation's politically interested people must have misheard him then. So is he really saying that his public speaking skills aren't really up to scratch? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: In the light of the quite justified ridicule he’s received, he’s kinda doubled down and sent out a statement on parliamentary headed paper saying he’s been ‘misconstrued’ and hadn’t linked Dr Who to crime levels in young men, Every time you think you’ve found the most tory tory, a new one pops up. Is there a lot you disagree with in that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted November 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2021 Just now, LondonLax said: Is there a lot you disagree with in that statement? Yes, the whole premise. The man is a prick, his own Prime Minister obviously ‘should’ be a role model but is an abject failure in that metric. Marcus Rashford would be the obvious role model for potential criminals. Cricketers that whistleblow on racism? Tim Peake maybe a bigger deal than made up alien Dr Who? He thinks a male version of the Equalizer would be a good role model? Ghostbusters? Is every tory currently on class A’s? Utterly pathetic waste of a speaking opportunity. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Just now, chrisp65 said: Yes, the whole premise. The man is a prick, his own Prime Minister obviously ‘should’ be a role model but is an abject failure in that metric. Marcus Rashford would be the obvious role model for potential criminals. Cricketers that whistleblow on racism? Tim Peake maybe a bigger deal than made up alien Dr Who? He thinks a male version of the Equalizer would be a good role model? Ghostbusters? Is every tory currently on class A’s? Utterly pathetic waste of a speaking opportunity. I think you might have misread what was said. It doesn’t say that there are no positive male role models in the world but he has suggested in that statement that some lads are only seeing negative male role models in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Is there a lot you disagree with in that statement? It's whole premise is utter nonsense It exists as an arse covering exercise, it's content is bullshit regardless of what it says There are plenty of good male role models even in film and television Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 It comes across like a deluded politician believing that its not the social or economical changes and problems in a young boys environment that's leading him to crime its the lack of a strong male role model on TV Because that's the easiest problem to identify and the one that doesn't fall on that politicians lap... A young boy wants to work the corners because his favourite TV shows are the wire and top boy... Its nothing to do with him growing up in relative poverty, with a poor education and non existent opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 I've done a slightly devil's advocate partial defence of him over in the Tories thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I think you might have misread what was said. It doesn’t say that there are no positive male role models in the world but he has suggested in that statement that some lads are only seeing negative male role models in their lives. He’s trying to re write a spectacularly poor speech. His government have been in power for a decade if there is any failing, he needs to own it. He denies he linked the problems of lack of role models, Dr Who, and male crime. Then re states another version of the same incorrect claim. He doesn’t think Professor Brian Cox is a role model? Again, Tim Peake? Rashford? Gareth Bale? Michael Sheen? Lewis Hamilton? The man is an idiot that doesn’t even know when to stop idioting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: He’s trying to re write a spectacularly poor speech. His government have been in power for a decade if there is any failing, he needs to own it. He denies he linked the problems of lack of role models, Dr Who, and male crime. Then re states another version of the same incorrect claim. He doesn’t think Professor Brian Cox is a role model? Again, Tim Peake? Rashford? Gareth Bale? Michael Sheen? Lewis Hamilton? The man is an idiot that doesn’t even know when to stop idioting. I'll throw a different one out - what does he think Idris Elba is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: He’s trying to re write a spectacularly poor speech. His government have been in power for a decade if there is any failing, he needs to own it. He denies he linked the problems of lack of role models, Dr Who, and male crime. Then re states another version of the same incorrect claim. He doesn’t think Professor Brian Cox is a role model? Again, Tim Peake? Rashford? Gareth Bale? Michael Sheen? Lewis Hamilton? The man is an idiot that doesn’t even know when to stop idioting. I agree it sounds like his speech was poor, whether it was misunderstood or misjudged. I didn’t see it myself, I’m just going off that statement above. Again though, he doesn’t say in that statement that Tim Peak, Gareth Bale, Lewis Hamilton etc don’t exist as positive role models for boys, what it says is many boys role models are ‘increasingly’ criminal, not ‘totally’ criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: I'll throw a different one out - what does he think Idris Elba is? It just shines a light on a very weird, scared little view of how he wants the world to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I agree it sounds like his speech was poor, whether it was misunderstood or misjudged. I didn’t see it myself, I’m just going off that statement above. Again though, he doesn’t say in that statement that Tim Peak, Gareth Bale, Lewis Hamilton etc don’t exist as positive role models for boys, what it says is many boys role models are ‘increasingly’ criminal, not ‘totally’ criminal. Which in isolation would be ok. I'd disagree with it, but it at least isn't totally mental. The mental part is deliberately linking that reduction of positive role models with the increase of female characters in movies and television. Essentially a link between the "woke" and an increase in crime. Which I'm absolutely positive wasn't an accident. That part is utter bollocks. Edited November 26, 2021 by Stevo985 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: I didn’t see it myself, I’m just going off that statement above. There's a video of it, in the tweet I posted. You can't view the statement in isolation, the statement on its own is irrelevant The speech is just more typical Tory Culture Wars Horseshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fruitvilla Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 hours ago, chrisp65 said: He thinks a male version of the Equalizer would be a good role model? Edward Woodward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, fruitvilla said: Edward Woodward? I was more thinking violent retribution by a male being a better example to set boys than violent retribution by a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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