NoelVilla Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 It is the Groznyj and Aleppo tactic all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Thing is Russia can't negotiate with Ukraine over the relaxing of sanctions, other than on Ukrainian sanctions. They can only negotiate the cessation of hostilities. After that they need to negotiate with USA, UK, EU and whoever else about their sanctions, and there are no guarantees about that. I think The west will want to teach Russia a lesson. I can't see them reducing current sanction levels, not in the short term anyway. Any negotiations with the West would have to include Putin disappearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: And if I were Ukraine I would only settle for keeping the whole country plus getting EU and NATO membership. That's not really something that Russia can offer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted March 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, sidcow said: Thing is Russia can't negotiate with Ukraine over the relaxing of sanctions, other than on Ukrainian sanctions. They can only negotiate the cessation of hostilities. After that they need to negotiate with USA, UK, EU and whoever else about their sanctions, and there are no guarantees about that. I think The west will want to teach Russia a lesson. I can't see them reducing current sanction levels, not in the short term anyway. Yeah that did occur to me, but I can't see Russia stepping back without sanctions being lifted. They would be screwed no matter what they do, so they would pummel Ukraine to pieces hoping we would relent when casualties get too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted March 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Any negotiations with the West would have to include Putin disappearing. That might be a way out of this from a Russian perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: That might be a way out of this from a Russian perspective. Yes, negotiate with his first line and make it clear they know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, magnkarl said: The amount of footage we get from bodycams of extremely potent Ukranian fighters in this war just shows how hopeless it is for Russia to go in with massive armoured columns. Here's a RPG-7 (Russian/Soviet made) taking out two tanks in two shots. The Ukranian army has more balls than NATO/Russia combined. Who the hell hits something at that range with a RPG? How do they hit the tanks directly each time? Just great aiming? or do the RPG's find its target? Edited March 9, 2022 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, ender4 said: How do they hit the tanks directly each timer Just great aiming? or do the RPG's find its target? With that weapon its just great aiming, its just a basic rocket propelled grenade launcher, nothing fancy at all. It's a 1960s Soviet design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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magnkarl Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 It just occurred to me that all the oil export to China from Russia is essentially down payment on credit, Russia gets zilch from China in that regard. Once Europe cuts it off it’s going to crash Russias economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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magnkarl Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bickster said: With that weapon its just great aiming, its just a basic rocket propelled grenade launcher, nothing fancy at all. It's a 1960s Soviet design Worth noting that the soldiers in that clip are likely SWAT or special forces from the emblems on their uniforms, they’re well trained. Edited March 9, 2022 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Awol Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, ender4 said: How do they hit the tanks directly each time? Just great aiming? or do the RPG's find its target? It’s like a footballer’s YouTube highlights. They don’t publish the videos where they miss the target, or get shot while casually standing out in the open. They are unguided weapons though, so the answer is practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Russia have bombed a Children's and Maternity hospital in Mariupol The Russian way of war. Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Russia have bombed a Children's and Maternity hospital in Mariupol C**ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 9, 2022 Why are they sending unescorted tanks into areas defended by concealed antitank weapons? I thought you're supposed to have a skirmish line of infantry to deal with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Awol said: They are unguided weapons though, so the answer is practice. Even with practise you still need a bit of luck as the RPG rarely fires in a straight line. It often corkscrews . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Why are they sending unescorted tanks into areas defended by concealed antitank weapons? I thought you're supposed to have a skirmish line of infantry to deal with them? Because they severely underestimated Ukraine, ran out of fuel and each arm of the Russian forces wanted to win by themselves. It’s a bit like Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe not working together in ww2. Spetznas went into Hostomel and Kharkiv day 1 and got annihilated, the army went into Luhansk, the navy tried to land outside Odessa and the airforce went to the loo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Why are they sending unescorted tanks into areas defended by concealed antitank weapons? I thought you're supposed to have a skirmish line of infantry to deal with them? I think the idea is the tanks rush ahead, control an area, and pin the defenders down/cause them to retreat, and then for troops to follow them up to support and hold the area. What's been happening is the NLAWs and Javelins have been tearing them to shreds. I'm surprised the tank crews aren't abandoning their tanks as soon as they leave the safety of their bases. They are moving coffins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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