Russia and its “Special Operation” in Ukraine

[sidcow]

52 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

Possibly.  

But I suspect that it's a way for China to supply ammunition to Russia.  

North Korea will sell their ammunition to Russia at a vastly inflated price and be paid in (x) amount of oil.  

China will sell their ammunition to North Korea for (x - 10%) of oil. 

We (NATO) have done the same thing.  Israel wanted to test a weapon system against Iranian drone attacks.   Israel asked Poland to complete the evaluation and delivered the kit to Poland.  Poland sub-contracted the evaluation to Ukraine.   

 

 

Fantastic news. 

The West gets to test their last gen equipment against China if true.  

[magnkarl]

4 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Be interesting to see if it can be recovered and repaired. 

I'm not a mechanic, but I'd say no. Unless the fire is from accellerant burning outside of the tank and the challenger has enormous capacity for compartmentalization of explosions\fire.

In either case, get ready for Russia to edit said video with 400 different filters and angles to make it look like Ukraine lost 1200 Challengers in one battle, and the George Galloways of this world eating it up.

Edited September 5, 2023 by magnkarl

[blandy]

1 hour ago, magnkarl said:

First Challenger 2 lost outside Robotyne when they took the village apparently. It helped Ukraine capture strategic hills around the city and took a reported 22 ATGM and mortar hits before finally stopping, with the crew surviving.

Imagine what Ukraine could do if they had more of these. 

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Boyets’s unit has already been reduced by casualties to 25 per cent of its original strength since joining counteroffensive operations around the axis towards Robotyne in July, and the life expectancy of storm units is the shortest on the front…

The great hopes that were originally put on Ukraine’s western-equipped armoured formations, such as the 47th Mechanised Brigade, have crumbled in the face of the realities….

No sooner had the 47th Brigade spearheaded the main attack on the southern front in early June than it suffered heavy losses. Without air support and with limited mine-clearing abilities the brigade found that its armoured vehicles were frequently immobilised in Russian minefields and then pounded with artillery…

Meanwhile, in the 15 weeks it took the 47th Brigade to advance eight miles to capture Robotyne, medics attached to the brigade say that the unit’s casualties have run into four figures.

So severe has been the fighting that in some instances teams of medics with the 47th had their own numerical strength reduced to 50 per cent because of casualties suffered on missions to collect wounded on the Robotyne front, despite using US-made M-113 armoured personnel carriers to evacuate the wounded…

Report in The Times worth a read

[Mandy Lifeboats]

16 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Frankly I don't see how China will allow their kit to go to Russia, but North Korea probably won't care.

China has too much to lose. Their economy is pretty much on the brink, sanctions would mean economic collapse. They don't have the resilience in their economy like Russia had\has, and the net export to Western NATO countries is enormous.

China won't let their kit go to Russia. It will be North Korean kit. 

North Korea has a massive army and a massive stockpile of basic military equipment.  They will sell it at a premium price to Russia and then buy better replacements from China.  

Russia gets kit.  North Korea gets better kit.  China gets gold, gas or oil at a knockdown price.  

[Demitri_C]

North korea in cahoots in russia who saw that coming

[Mandy Lifeboats]

50 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

North korea in cahoots in russia who saw that coming

North Korea, Iran and Russia.  The worst military alliance in history.  

Join the alliance if you automatically want to become an enemy of NATO, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the Taliban and Israel at the same time.  

 

 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

This is slightly off topic - but also slightly on topic. 

For those that don't know, China are trying to form an economic alliance to rival the West.  Its called BRICS because its presently Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.  They want to set up a common currency in order to abandon the $.  

Russia are really pushing this group forward because its the countries that they still trade with.  Its their only hope to avoid financial ruin.  

Many people (including me) think there is an inherent flaw in this plan. It reared its head last week.  

The Chinese government has a map of what THEY consider to be China.  So it includes a few disputed areas.  This map was either mistakenly published or purposefully leaked last week.  The map included parts of India and parts of Russia.  India made an issue of it in diplomatic circles and was told to calm down by the Chinese.  That didn't go down well.  

Russia said nothing at all.  

 

[Xann]

The address says 2022 but it's regularly updated.

The list of companies still trading in Putin's Russia.

 https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain

Nestle, Mondelez and Unilever are in there.

 

 

How much of the confectionary counter do these take up?

Unilever/Walls claimed they were scaling back and only sending essentials. Cornettos were somehow included in that.

 

[PussEKatt]

21 minutes ago, Xann said:

The address says 2022 but it's regularly updated.

The list of companies still trading in Putin's Russia.

 https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain

Nestle, Mondelez and Unilever are in there.

 

 

How much of the confectionary counter do these take up?

Unilever/Walls claimed they were scaling back and only sending essentials. Cornettos were somehow included in that.

 

That list should be published predominantly all over the western world so that the ordinary joe can decide if he/she wants to continue buying these products.

[Demitri_C]

1 hour ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

This is slightly off topic - but also slightly on topic. 

For those that don't know, China are trying to form an economic alliance to rival the West.  Its called BRICS because its presently Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.  They want to set up a common currency in order to abandon the $.  

Russia are really pushing this group forward because its the countries that they still trade with.  Its their only hope to avoid financial ruin.  

Many people (including me) think there is an inherent flaw in this plan. It reared its head last week.  

The Chinese government has a map of what THEY consider to be China.  So it includes a few disputed areas.  This map was either mistakenly published or purposefully leaked last week.  The map included parts of India and parts of Russia.  India made an issue of it in diplomatic circles and was told to calm down by the Chinese.  That didn't go down well.  

Russia said nothing at all.  

 

India and china ? Godi luck having them two work hand in hand.

Also i was reafing that our "friends" the saudis want to join along with argentina and UAE

[Mandy Lifeboats]

26 minutes ago, Xann said:

The address says 2022 but it's regularly updated.

The list of companies still trading in Putin's Russia.

 https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain

Nestle, Mondelez and Unilever are in there.

 

 

How much of the confectionary counter do these take up?

Unilever/Walls claimed they were scaling back and only sending essentials. Cornettos were somehow included in that.

 

A vaseline boycott would be far too painful. 

[bickster]

 

[villa89]

4 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

The Chinese government has a map of what THEY consider to be China.  

The Chinese government have a map of China plus the land they aim to steal and make part of China would be more accurate. #freetibet

[bickster]

4 minutes ago, villa89 said:

The Chinese government have a map of China plus the land they aim to steal and make part of China would be more accurate. #freetibet

Not really. The Russia / China stuff was originally Chinese

[bielesibub]

58 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

Not bad going, 5 days on from cracking the joke and the Albanian Prime Minister hasn't fallen out of a window, yet.

[Anthony]

Bloody hell. 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Anthony

[tinker]

Looks like a pro Russia party may win the Slovakian election on the 30th of September 

"At a stroke, Slovakia could soon become Russia’s newest ally

John Kampfner

Contributor image for: John Kampfner

Robert Fico, the former PM who showers praise on Moscow and models himself on Viktor Orbán, is leading the polls for the coming elections

Tue 5 Sep 2023 05.25 EDT"

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/05/slovakia-elections-robert-fico-ukraine-russia

[villa89]

12 hours ago, tinker said:

Looks like a pro Russia party may win the Slovakian election on the 30th of September 

"At a stroke, Slovakia could soon become Russia’s newest ally

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/05/slovakia-elections-robert-fico-ukraine-russia

Insane. When you see people like Trump, Orban, BoJo, Meloni winning elections you really see how badly the democratic system is functioning in the modern world. In other news a Pro Russia Politician may win the US presidential election next year.

[tinker]

Just now, villa89 said:

Insane. When you see people like Trump, Orban, BoJo, Meloni winning elections you really see how badly the democratic system is functioning in the modern world. In other news a Pro Russia Politician may win the US presidential election next year.

I Believe It's the impact of social media campaigns and propaganda, AI based platforms. It's all very concerning, we have had warnings about it but everyone seems to be letting the whole thing continue, I'm frightened for our future if it's allowed to go unchecked.

[Genie]

Stability is boring. Let’s go for the mental approach for the lolz.

edit: that was my sarcastic approach to how it seems many people make their political choices.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Genie