villa4europe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Good We've got a kane problem in that he plays too much and no one can nail that 2nd striker role, hopefully it's Ollie and he does well because I'd imagine the start vs Malta at home is being lined up too That nkeitah 2 goals from 3 shots on target stat is actually damning imo he's made 8 appearances started 7 games and scored 2 goals with only 3 shots on target? So he's having a shot on target once every 3 games? That's terrible 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 10 hours ago, leemond2008 said: I disagree, I refuse to believe that such a massive rocket polisher knows nothing about knocking one out. That's what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I think the more burning question is wether Phillips and Maguire can bring their scintillating club form into these International games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Nketiah will definitely start. He called him up before Watkins so he's ahead of him in the pecking order. If Southgate gives Watkins the start I'll be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Nketiah will definitely start. He called him up before Watkins so he's ahead of him in the pecking order. If Southgate gives Watkins the start I'll be amazed. When I watch Nketiah for Arsenal his touch always seems so average and he looks out of his depth playing for them v likes of Man. City and Arsenal. But he poaches a few goals at the backpost so guess that's good enough to start for England nowadays. Ollie probably scored as many as Nketiah at prem level in that streak he had between March-April last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 12 hours ago, villa4europe said: I know it's slightly easier for the u21s as they lose players but since the new tournament cycle has started carsley has called up 26 new players, 4 debuts tonight Southgate is currently at 0 I didn't realise how bad that was until I double checked it, the last debutant in an England shirt was jude Bellingham in November 2020 That's mad Didn't England under 21s do something daft like put 9 past Serbia? FA get loads of stick and plenty is merited but one thing they got bang on was building St George's Park just over a decade ago. Again loads of talk at the time it was a waste of money but look at the incredible results across all age groups now and finally some technical quality players are being produced in most positions. Regardless of Southgate this is going to be a very good job for the next manager given the talent in the 20-25 age range. Just potentially managing Bellingham for the next decade will be a huge draw. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Didn't England under 21s do something daft like put 9 past Serbia? FA get loads of stick and plenty is merited but one thing they got bang on was building St George's Park just over a decade ago. Again loads of talk at the time it was a waste of money but look at the incredible results across all age groups now and finally some technical quality players are being produced in most positions. Regardless of Southgate this is going to be a very good job for the next manager given the talent in the 20-25 age range. Just potentially managing Bellingham for the next decade will be a huge draw. yep since St Georges has opened in 2012 england have won the U17s world cup, U17 euros (and finished runner up), won the U19s euros twice, U20s world cup, U21s won the euros if you take say the U19s champions from 2017 Ramsdale, mount and james have now played for the senior team, the U17s champions from 2017 we have guehi, foden, sancho, gallagher, 2017 U20s tomori and calvert lewin, from the U21s he's called up colwill but he's not played yet 2017 winning at 3 different age groups is a huge achievement for st george's, I would say bar CB the players are there, the spine is definitely there especially if kane can decrease the intensity while maintaining his quality 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 hours ago, villa4europe said: Good We've got a kane problem in that he plays too much and no one can nail that 2nd striker role, hopefully it's Ollie and he does well because I'd imagine the start vs Malta at home is being lined up too That nkeitah 2 goals from 3 shots on target stat is actually damning imo he's made 8 appearances started 7 games and scored 2 goals with only 3 shots on target? So he's having a shot on target once every 3 games? That's terrible But are those shots recent? Could be recency bias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted October 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2023 I wonder what Cocknose will do today to annoy me. Im guessing Maguire, Henderson & Phillips will start. Nketiah up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Watkin's could score a hatrick tonight, an Southgate will still come out with some psychology babbable bullshit. "He, (Watkin's) had a good game, but the last thing, we want to do, is put pressure on players, by utilising him, as Englands 2nd striker. If Kane breaks 'both' legs and an arm, an we have to bring, him on in a qualifier, it may not be good for his progression, within the technically coached international game. Playing for an average coach in the premier League, is completely different than being coached by an elite international coach like myself, an I wouldn't want to put that sort of pressure on him this early". Edited October 13, 2023 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Looks 4-2-3-1 Grealish Bowen and maddison behind Ollie so he should get some chances Interested to see what he does with TAA cos he could push him up and have Colwill come across as a back 3 Edited October 13, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) I'll give him some credit there, aside from Gallagher (who at least is a potential option for the future) and Henderson, that's a decent a experimental lineup. Why has he taken him so long to try it tough? Edited October 13, 2023 by MrBlack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, MrBlack said: I'll give him some credit there, aside from Gallagher (who at least is one potentiation for the future) and Henderson, that's a decent a experimental lineup. Why has he taken him so long to try it tough? All the talent in this England team is in kane and the potential 3 AMCs behind him Its so obvious it should be the go to formation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Its the rain that's making it shit, definitley the rain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) I have literally never known a team to be so negative as this England team. Think we had 6 players forward then and possession and Henderson still found the backwards pass. Edited October 13, 2023 by Spoony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachoFantastico Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I've never disliked watching a team as much as I dislike watching Southgate's England. I think I'll be dead before the FA finally replace him. Seeing Stephanie Frappart officiating is pretty cool though, hopefully she has a solid game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Comparing to how Lee Carsley had the u21s playing its night and day. Predictable movement. Bad luck Ollie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachoFantastico Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I think Southgate's England only knows how to pass sideways and backways. It's bleeding awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Ref great. Ollie average. Southgate's England...dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Are we just criticising for criticisings sake with Southgate? . Nope. Theres 2 players that could have run the game this evening. TTA and Maddison. But no. It had to go through State of Jordan Henderson. And those 2 have been marginalised. Stay in your positions . Dont take a risk. Against a team that want to stick in a low block. We can play some boring slow stuff at times at VP but as McGinn put it ' when we go we go' and can go into overdrive. Nothing ever happens with this team. Theres no traps set. No quick transition. Just plod plod effing plod. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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