5306 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Just 'obtained' a copy of this episode. Looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 But you could beat an F1 drivers time? Where did I say beat? I'm saying 1)I could get a close time to those F1 drivers and beat most of those celebs. 2)I think nearly all the celebs have been shit that I've seen on the show, a mixture of thespians and pop artists that cant even change gear. Which has made the decent ones look superb and the F1 drivers look like magicians. It's not 100 celebs either surely? 3) Hamilton is an excellent driver, but saying that lap is in any way a sign of genius is just a joke. A person off the street with a bit of training could do that. Like I say, it's in super high powered vehicles over many laps that these guys skills come to the fore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 1)I could get a close time to those F1 drivers and beat most of those celebs. So you know driving round that rack is easy do you? Its not like driving round your boy racer nova round the local kev circuit over and over, wheel spinning at each set of lights. Its on a track with a crap car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 3, 2007 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm saying 1)I could get a close time to those F1 drivers and beat most of those celebs. I agree that beating most of the celebs is very possible as they don't exactly appear on the show because of their driving talent. 3) Hamilton is an excellent driver, but saying that lap is in any way a sign of genius is just a joke. I disagree. He did things Webber, Button, Mansell & Stig couldn't do. He basically beat them all by ~2 seconds given a dry track. Stig, Clarkson & the producer - all of whom know a bit about the track, the conditions and the possible lap times of the track coiuldn't understand how he did what he did. It is a sign of genius, also coupled with what he did in F1 this season. A person off the street with a bit of training could do that. Like I say, it's in super high powered vehicles over many laps that these guys skills come to the fore. I'm afraid you are just plain wrong here. The underpowered car will reduce the gap between the good and the bad, but there will always BE a gap no matter what. Otherwise you're saying practice is everything and talent doesn't matter. Fact is these people can do things most people can't do, which is why they are where they are. I also regard myself as a good driver (and quick when the need arises) but I have a mate who races professionally and he is soooo much better it is remarkable to be in a track car with him, and these guys are another level on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm not a boy racer lol. I'm not even a petrol head, but I am quite sure I and many other drivers with a feel for driving could produce a fast time in that car, with just a little bit of practice and training. We'lll have to agree to disagree. I don't think you could say his time was better than the Stig either, his fastest is probably a better time, although obviously he knows the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 3, 2007 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't think you could say his time was better than the Stig either, his fastest is probably a better time, although obviously he knows the track. :shock: Yes you really can. He was 0.3s down, in the wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't think you could say his time was better than the Stig either, his fastest is probably a better time, although obviously he knows the track. :shock: Yes you really can. He was 0.3s down, in the wet. Really, I thought it was more than that. Ahh well it was a good lap then to be fair. Perhaps I'm wrong, maybe there is a big difference between the great the good and us mortals even in low powered cars over 1 lap. But I'd sure love to have a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The stigs time in the dry was 1.44.4. Hamiltons in the wet with oil on the track was 1.44.7. By anyone's book that is staggeringly good driving, and to prove the point of how skilled these F1 drivers are they had Hammond go round a circuit in an F1 car. Clarkson was simply stunned by Lewis's time, and even more so by how relaxed Lewis was going round the track. I really hope they get him back to go round in the dry, I really think he could push a sub-1.40 lap. And everyone who does the star in the car gets 3 practice laps tops nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't think you could say his time was better than the Stig either, his fastest is probably a better time, although obviously he knows the track. :shock: Yes you really can. He was 0.3s down, in the wet. Really, I thought it was more than that. Ahh well it was a good lap then to be fair. Perhaps I'm wrong, maybe there is a big difference between the great the good and us mortals even in low powered cars over 1 lap. But I'd sure love to have a go I did a track day ages ago.......... went round the track all morning with an instructor showing me the line, when to brake, etc.... giving me all the advice possible. After a few hours I thought I'd nailed it and was properly flying round............... At the end of the day I sat in as the instructor gave me a "proper lap".............. He made me look like a child a positively took the piss with his time - I shat myself. It's not only about practice and skill, it's much more about speed of thought and action and having absolutely no fear what-so-ever. That's the main thing "no fear"....... approaching a corner at 70mph and trusting the car to take it without killing you is no mean feat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 3, 2007 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2007 The stigs time in the dry was 1.44.4. Hamiltons in the wet with oil on the track was 1.44.7. By anyone's book that is staggeringly good driving, and to prove the point of how skilled these F1 drivers are they had Hammond go round a circuit in an F1 car. Clarkson was simply stunned by Lewis's time, and even more so by how relaxed Lewis was going round the track. I really hope they get him back to go round in the dry, I really think he could push a sub-1.40 lap. And everyone who does the star in the car gets 3 practice laps tops nowadays. The pro's are less affected by wet than the mortals are. Stig reckons the F1 drivers would improve by about 2 seconds in the dry whereas the celebs are losing 3 to 4 secs in the wet. I really don't think Lewis would get near a sub 1.40. I might be wrong but I thnk based on what has been said before, he is certainly on for a low 1.42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Clarkson was simply stunned by Lewis's time, and even more so by how relaxed Lewis was going round the track. I really hope they get him back to go round in the dry, I really think he could push a sub-1.40 lap. I think thats a bit optimistic. Yes, they say there are two or three seconds between a wet and dry lap but thats time you lose because its wet, not time you gain because its dry. Lewis just didnt lose time because it was wet. Thats the mark of a fantastic driver, but i dont think that car can get around that track much below the mid-late 1:43's. If it could then we would have seen signs of it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted December 3, 2007 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2007 Has anyone read the Richard Hammond crash HSE report? Seems the current Lord Stiggy is Ben Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenjos Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Has anyone read the Richard Hammond crash HSE report? Seems the current Lord Stiggy is Ben Collins. Where does it say that?? all i can see is he's used as a consultant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted December 3, 2007 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2007 Has anyone read the Richard Hammond crash HSE report? Seems the current Lord Stiggy is Ben Collins. Where does it say that?? all i can see is he's used as a consultant It's the bit in the document that states "high performance driver" that makes it for me. Wiki (may God have mercy on our souls) thinks he's The Stig as well from this document (well rumoured anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenjos Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Has anyone read the Richard Hammond crash HSE report? Seems the current Lord Stiggy is Ben Collins. Where does it say that?? all i can see is he's used as a consultant It's the bit in the document that states "high performance driver" that makes it for me. Wiki (may God have mercy on our souls) thinks he's The Stig as well from this document (well rumoured anyway). Ben Collins has done races for them in the past, like the football ones plus others. Hes also been on Fifth Gear as a consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted December 3, 2007 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2007 Has anyone read the Richard Hammond crash HSE report? Seems the current Lord Stiggy is Ben Collins. Where does it say that?? all i can see is he's used as a consultant It's the bit in the document that states "high performance driver" that makes it for me. Wiki (may God have mercy on our souls) thinks he's The Stig as well from this document (well rumoured anyway). Ben Collins has done races for them in the past, like the football ones plus others. Hes also been on Fifth Gear as a consultant. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenjos Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Epic tonight anyone else see it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2007 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2007 Yeh, thought it was brilliant. Well the 24 hour race was brilliant. Can;t say much about May's review of that shitty fiat!! But yeh, very good episode, made me really want to be a racing driver, it looked like so much fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBoy Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Yeh, thought it was brilliant. Well the 24 hour race was brilliant. Can;t say much about May's review of that shitty fiat!! But yeh, very good episode, made me really want to be a racing driver, it looked like so much fun! Hammond looked very upset when he crashed. I wonder if that was memories or just disappointment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfcman Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Top Gear has timeless appeal, but the three hosts set it apart. The mega races are always the best looking forward to the 24 hr race on sky+ later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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